@Wabit said in Barik Matchup Guide for 4.3:

willo and yago should be moved to mod counter

I can see the case for this, however I'm not entirely inclined to change my placements for these two, though in Willo's case there is a very good argument to be had that indeed she isn't just a soft counter.

I considered putting Willo at mod counter because of how she can sort of shut down a Barik's attempt to hold a point, but she does that to every main tank, and really Barik is the one who's best equipped to defend himself against her. Maybe Terminus can fare better in the matchup if his siphon is fed and he's running Decimation, but Dead Zone doesn't really feed Siphon. However if the Willo DOES feed your siphon it is definitely true in said case that Terminus will do significantly better into Willo than every other main tank and in that case Willo can be moved to more of a mod counter level.

I put Yago at soft counter mainly because Yago can't really pressure you that hard if you run from her instead of engaging her. However in a Barik v Yago fight Barik 100% loses the fight because he's forced to fight her in her range and Barik can't do enough damage or sustain enough to win it. However, Yagorath doesn't really force you to fight her head on as she's played Off-Tank (playing a side lane with the flanker) while Barik is played as a main tank (securing mid, though it is usually a good idea to go that way through a near part of a side lane), and unlike Raum or Atlas she doesn't have a way to get you in a situation where fighting her is the only option you have (no rewind in the case of Atlas or in Raum's case no uno reverse card ultimate).

One mans scrap should just work for turrets in order to set up a turret faster after losing one.

Back tracking while providing constant turret placements that attract focus fire, get destroyed allowing the set up another turret, cycle and repeat.

This is a pretty cool playstyle card, its dwarven identity to maintain a consistant line of firepower...
I am happy with barik having the ability to pull a turret out is asre if one is destoried while another is on CD.

But having the ability to reset EVEYTHING else, and Failsafe or One Mans Treasure, Barik gets too many CDR freebies.

Cdr Resets from absorbing pressure have to be balenced or the camp can be hard to kill.

An object that attacks needs to be destroied to take ground, that asset should not allow the reset of defence and mobility assets on a champion to hold ground elsewhere.

Removing one forification to resupply another is pretty sketchy in design.
The playstyle of, destroy turrers while shield is active in order to counter CDR, is a bit much for damage casuals to undersand, they see turret they shoot, thus bariks shield wall gets deployed more often and his tempo is better off then other players.

Addendum regarding Failsafe:

I think it could also use a future rework to something like this: Upon reaching 30% of your maximum health or lower, reset the cooldown of Rocket Boots. Internal CD- (55)- (5/5) seconds.

This would make people consider more if they want a few seconds off of Failsafe CD (rank 5 is IDENTICAL to rank 3 on live), or to invest it in another card. It's an overall nerf that makes it so you don't always have to run Failsafe rank 3 (or maybe rank 2 is OKAY as he is on live with 4750 max health, as 20% of that is still 950), and Failsafe past 3 is a complete waste.

@HeartQueen There are still a few exceptions. Ash is still strong and fun to play. Atlas is fun but not strong. Raum can be good if picked last against no CC. But in general this is right.

If it had a slight ranged deployable placement range (of say 10-20 units), it would require less endurance on bariks behalf for optimal placement around terrain and off of a high ground onto a lower platform within range..

As long as the range is not too far, that small placement flexibility buff in itself would be choice in giving a bit more extension into enemy ground potential from a standstill.

As for design overhauls.

Turret is pretty core to the theme of the kit.
Provides a body block vs non foe piercing brawler attacks as a subtle hint to the power of a smaller character size.
Its firepower mechanics are lacking somewhat due to design. Not to say it does not do the job of creating CQC damage pressure... It just could be better in design to have more influence.

I would opt for a channelled beam turret, laser targets nearest foe then arcs to the nearest foe nearby, chaining across the whole enemy team if they are too close (say 20 units), dealing less damage the further it chains. This turret design would do better to split foes apart to avoid chaining damage to each other, yet hindering their ability to form up close to each other for defence.
So not only is your team protected behind a shield, foes entering that shield will could cause a potential team wide multi foe CQC backlash dependant on how many foes want to stick around that shield.

Or a gatling gun with extreme falloff or inaccuracy at max range to provide more range and offence rather then only in tight spaces, limited to the shield area. However barrier and sentry combos are a pain to deal with and the current barrier strength would see it too strong to deal with without some duration or value drawbacks..

Without turret, it could just be a static Bubble Barrier and Damage Over Time field, but without the turret, I can't really see barik the same way.
I like THUNDERDOME's in general...
But it should be another characters ult.

As for soft vs hard CC on ult.
Any Hard CC stun or silence would provide an at the ready ability counter against channelled defence abilities and would afford barik much counterplay to a character in a defence state.

I would rather opt for a weak 40% Slow Zone, Damage over time and Mid strength Bubble Shield. A good ult for a front line class as it has all elements of defence, offence and control without any extremes, allowing it to be deployed at range without any instant combat overwhelm influence potential. I wish we had more elegant defensive ult design, front lines have mostly gone for direct combat influence ults, whereas environmental defence and offence have impact if they are designed right.

I'm not the biggest fan of simple direct influence ability counterplay, if done poorly the game thrives on clutch ability outplay options rather then performance skill.
If not balanced overall, ability outplay can create too strong dive and shut down moves.

I am surprised we have not seen another double barrier set up on a tank tbh.

@M3RC3N4RI0 said in If the People Want Barik Buffs...:

@Dusklicious said in If the People Want Barik Buffs...:

With a single turret. 250/sec for this new idea requires both to be up and you to be in the AoE of both.

That would require a more defensive turret placement probably, question is if this would be an improvement in his play-style.

I mean it would require you to place your turrets so they sustain better so you can get more out of them. But even then with Archi they have a 7 second CD, plus Forged Alloy exists.

Well I cannot really argue with most design alterations.

A dome shield and active movement, can be like having two walls of defence. Trying to chase through it can be a hasstle. But half shell exists so its not bad... but to have two domes on hand.... with no cd gap idk.... thats a lot of cover.

All I think about with fortify is that there is no harming or utility barriers in the game.

If a slow of sorts was applied to targets who walk though it, then barik would have some dive protection vs foes who just dash through the barrier.
By that design you could just walk upto people with a slow by deploying your shield on them and that seems like a pretty jank use for it, thus why I do not oft talk about the idea.

Another idea for shield utility, fortify amps ally damage passing through it. Therefore you can have your shield wall to amp whatever is stacked behind, allies or turrets.

I had a thought that tink could pierce through up to 1 additional target at the expense of dealing less damage after it penetrates the initial target.

Weapon attack penetration could be beneficial to apply caut, and hold a corridor vs stacking and make up for a lack of caut application from slugs.

Personally I hate weapon attack talents in their current state esp tink.

@TTraw said in Barik Card Tier List:

I have a question sir!

Why is Double time better than Bowling Ball? Bowling Ball seems much better considering that wrecker is way weaker than cauterize, and also comes out instantenously for a much clutcher save?

Theoretically, that argument is sensible, however in practice it doesn't really work that way.

The issue with Bowling Ball is that you don't even need Wrecker to deal with it. In the days it used to be good it actually made you get Wrecker for it. But now most characters that do half decent damage can just shoot at it with no Wrecker and poof the shield is down. Cauted Double Time will still provide sustain while it's healing you 20/sec at Caut 3 instead of Bowling Ball where you just lose all the sustain from the card when the shield is destroyed.

And even then it isn't like Cauterize increases the damage dealt to health like Wrecker does to shields. If Caut did that, then yeah Bowling Ball likely would be straight-up better because you'd have to burst it down. But both would suck at that point and Caut would be busted.

I have published the video.

After all I have to start somewhere even if it is with low quality content. May also do one each for Terminus, Raum, and Ash at some point. Though they'll likely be shorter in length than this.