[LORE] Champions Relationships


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    @LeslieShoemaker

    not totally true, the jungle maps (SB JF FI) are all heavily tied to the lore even if they were one of the original maps
    so why the other maps couldnt' have some lore stuff
    I do admit that the two ice maps have nothing beside the spam rooms^^, there are some nice details like gems and stuff, but noting that could be related to any lore



  • @TangAce Why are they tied to the lore?


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    @LeslieShoemaker
    ska drin and koa, the moon, for exemple, I think there are some other stuff to be said but I'm not totally sure about it so yeah
    like for exemple in primal court which is in the same island as jaguar falls, there are some representations of a bird sorta, I think it looks kinda like one you can see in the tapestry in stone keep



  • @TangAce What's the deal with the Ska'adrins and Makoa? That moon symbol doesn't mean anything. Why is PC in an island with with JF? And to me those bird are very different. Nothing is explained what is it, why is it there, a story behind them, nothing. Even the new ones aren't fully explained.


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    @LeslieShoemaker

    in serpent beach you can see the shattered moon, that is something, and their is a moon dial meaning the moon was important for the ska drin?

    ska drin comes from this archipel, the ruins in serpent beach jaguar falls and primal court are probably from the skadrin civilization, makoa comes from frog isle apparently

    yeah for now there is nothing with the birds, but it's on a tapestry so it might be important ,and weirdly enough I find birds always with sun representations



  • @LeslieShoemaker said in [LORE] Champions Relationships:

    @Gao-Shun
    To be honest, I don't think any maps before Magistrate's archives has any "written" lore right now. There are only slight connections between pre-lore maps and characters/nations/races. Those symbols or objects can be anything. You can give them special role, but I don't thin EM has done it yet. Maybe later.

    Written Lore might not exist (yet) but I prefer looking at the scattered pieces of lore possibilities (It's kinda like in Dark Souls) scattered in maps. There are many piece of a puzzle even in old maps like Frog Isle, Frozen Guard & Ice mines

    Also, The cracked moon has been around for ages, ever since Serpent Beach was changed to night mode.
    We have been speculating somesort of death star weaponry caused it and Io's lore confirmed something did happen although still not clear (there are also several red shrapnel that came down with Io-blue shrapnel- opening up possibility of other beings)

    That moon symbol doesn't mean anything

    Moon symbol ties with Io (Goddess of the Moon)

    The map I find most devoid of hints is Shattered Desert, there is only a weird temple as the point.



  • @TangAce said in [LORE] Champions Relationships:

    @LeslieShoemaker

    not totally true, the jungle maps (SB JF FI) are all heavily tied to the lore even if they were one of the original maps
    so why the other maps couldnt' have some lore stuff
    I do admit that the two ice maps have nothing beside the spam rooms^^, there are some nice details like gems and stuff, but noting that could be related to any lore

    not my finding but the old thread in old forum, in Frozen guard you can see large icebergs in the distance, maybe that ties to Evie somewhat?



  • @Gao-Shun I meant that because nothing is written, every symbols can mean anything, from a random ornament, to a emblem of someone, or a symbol from an old story. You can make whatever you want with these elements. But in the same time, the statues in Bazaar, or the sign of the Paladins/Magistrate, the pheonyx of Aico are set in stone. You can't change the meaning of them.

    I don't think the moon symbols out of Bazaar or SD tie with Io at all. There are totally different nations with different folklore. Yes, they made symbols of the Moon, but that doesn't mean that they worshipped Io. You can find symbols of the Sun from the greeks to the chinese, but they didn't worshipped Ra.

    Also, in Dark Souls everything is put there with purpose, after a looong time of worldbuilding. In Paladins everything is put there because it looks nice, cool or edgy (khmRaumkhm).


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    @LeslieShoemaker

    SD is heavily linked to Io
    you can see luna near the three in the spawn
    there are things you can also see in that map with seris in shadow travel, cause it applies a tint to your screen
    you can see atlas portal and some tentacles somewhere

    yaknow the lore is better made than you think, yeah for now we gotta search hidden things, but then EM sometimes confirm stuff in streams and such, something that's not written can still be official lore

    and they think about lore when creating a map, stone keep or archives are very good exemples



  • @TangAce I meant that only SD and Bazaar are tied to Io, the other maps where a moon-symbol is aren't. Sorry for my poor english.

    When Stone Keep was made they didn't think to the lore at all. We know nothing about it. What is it, where is it, what was its purpose before it became ruined. The first map that had a slight connection with a character was Brightmarsh, but that one was just a bit. Only Archives was the first heavily lore-inspired map. They think about the lore only now, after Archives.

    Honestly, I don't trust in bits said in streams, but aren't written to anywhere. To me it means that they don't care about it, but mention it in streams to make the fans happy. Maybe I would like the info, but telling it as a side-note of a side-note...blehhh. Like Nando is gay. They could confirm it by telling a story about it, and involve the info, but nope, it was like "hmpfhmpfhmpf Nando is gay (be happy with it)".
    Also I don't watch hours lon stream for one-lines, so I know nothing about these infos.



  • As I control my chosen characters and how I play, the "lore" I have is based on my own ideals and experiences. Basically, I don't need any official lore to fully enjoy the game.


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    @LeslieShoemaker

    the moon isn't only Io, it's one of the big thing, the moon shattering is very important and not just cause of Io

    they thought about lore with stone keep and archives, first cause it's the same place, and archives has lore stuff, stone keep has hidden lore thingy we don't know much about yet



  • @LeslieShoemaker said in [LORE] Champions Relationships:

    @Gao-Shun I meant that because nothing is written, every symbols can mean anything, from a random ornament, to a emblem of someone, or a symbol from an old story. You can make whatever you want with these elements. But in the same time, the statues in Bazaar, or the sign of the Paladins/Magistrate, the pheonyx of Aico are set in stone. You can't change the meaning of them.

    It's like a foreshadow for a future story. It could be anything as the story is not yet told or nothing at all. However, these items aren't as random as you think. The models and background items were there with a connection to the whole Realm.
    They are also retouching old maps with small details.

    I don't think the moon symbols out of Bazaar or SD tie with Io at all. There are totally different nations with different folklore. Yes, they made symbols of the Moon, but that doesn't mean that they worshipped Io. You can find symbols of the Sun from the greeks to the chinese, but they didn't worshipped Ra.

    The Aztec didn't call their Sun god Ra, but both Egypt and Aztecs all worshipped the Sun so technically they were Sun worshippers...
    same thing here, in these maps, Moon is being worshipped, and Io is the Moon goddess.

    Also, in Dark Souls everything is put there with purpose, after a looong time of worldbuilding. In Paladins everything is put there because it looks nice, cool or edgy (khmRaumkhm).

    Dark Souls lore is there for the hardcore that search every nook and cranny and if we are being honest, most players aren't those. Many would just go to wiki and nod.... "oooh so that's what Aldrich is" or just link the fire without even knowing. And as you said, a looong time of world building in a series of a single player game. Paladins isn't around long enough and it's a multiplayer game.

    Paladins lore isn't as bad as you think, there are a few disjointed parts between old champions and new ones (about their voicelines) but many things have a relation with champions being in the Realm. Still far better than many other multiplayer games ( i.e : does Counter Strike have a lore?)
    EM however, doesn't go with Blizzard cinematic story telling and lack a good lore section on their game section.



  • @Conrad_Max said in [LORE] Champions Relationships:

    As I control my chosen characters and how I play, the "lore" I have is based on my own ideals and experiences. Basically, I don't need any official lore to fully enjoy the game.

    True. But we just want to appreciate the details Evil Mojo put into their champion relationships and maps.



  • How is Raum connected to Dredge, and also the other abyss champions...

    Which magistrate member released Raum?

    Just wanna know



  • @AzrielM Hiearchy between abyssal characters are unknown. We only know that Seris convinced Knife(or Knaifu) to release Raum.


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    I updated the lore chart with the latest infos we have, did I forget anything?

    I apologize but I had to use a second buck icon because of space management
    I haven't put knaifu yet because of space once again, but if I find some time to rearrange some stuff then I might add him^^' it's getting seriously difficult to put everything on one page without it getting messy af

    I hope you enjoy this updated chart 🙂



  • @TangAce Why did Buck betray Zhin? And why was he a TH member?


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    @LeslieShoemaker

    well that is a very good question and I don't know much about it, I'm gonna ask on discord if anyone has some idea about it



  • @TangAce thank you ☺


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