Enough with the childlike champions


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  • @taikonaut

    As stated before, it's because of narrow mindedness that you view then that way. It is a Fantasy Realn, this isn't a modern or sci-fi shooter..It's a Fantasy Realm this means made up.

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  • @Rauyne said in Enough with the childlike champions:

    @taikonaut

    As stated before, it's because of narrow mindedness that you view then that way. It is a Fantasy Realn, this isn't a modern or sci-fi shooter..It's a Fantasy Realm this means made up.

    @ShogunPukin

    Yes..yes we do.

    How am I being narrowminded? I'm just pointing out that they have the appearance of children, in some cases children with boobs.



  • @taikonaut

    And that is where the narrow mindedness is coming from. You see them as nothing but children instead of delving into the Fantasy Realm and seeing them as a different race which is smaller in stafure.


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    @taikonaut

    Io was designed to look cute, that's why she has big eyes, she's a kitsune, obviously she was inspired by japanese-like drawing style

    maeve is a young adult so is evie, honestly none of them have child-like attitude

    if you can't understand fantasy...nothing we can say will change your mind, I mean maeve is 19, at 19 most girls have grown up boobs

    honestly I don't see the problem really, some skins are appealing yes, some skins have very sexually themed voice packs yes (but it's laughable since it's exaggerated) but if some people want to make porn or whatever out of these characters, well it's their problem not mine

    people make porn out of way worse than this, you can turn anything into porn nowadays, it doesn't reflect the original character, these characters were designed nicely and without anything related to porn, so there's no problem at all, no champ is naked or whatever



  • @Rauyne said in Enough with the childlike champions:

    @taikonaut

    And that is where the narrow mindedness is coming from. You see them as nothing but children instead of delving into the Fantasy Realm and seeing them as a different race which is smaller in stafure.

    Well, I'm not saying they are children, I'm saying they're childlike. They look like children. That's all I'm saying. I don't understand why anyone would want people that look like children in their shooter games, I mean after all children are pretty much adults but worse.

    @TangAce said in Enough with the childlike champions:

    @taikonaut

    Io was designed to look cute, that's why she has big eyes, she's a kitsune, obviously she was inspired by japanese-like drawing style

    maeve is a young adult so is evie, honestly none of them have child-like attitude

    if you can't understand fantasy...nothing we can say will change your mind, I mean maeve is 19, at 19 most girls have grown up boobs

    honestly I don't see the problem really, some skins are appealing yes, some skins have very sexually themed voice packs yes (but it's laughable since it's exaggerated) but if some people want to make porn or whatever out of these characters, well it's their problem not mine

    people make porn out of way worse than this, you can turn anything into porn nowadays, it doesn't reflect the original character, these characters were designed nicely and without anything related to porn, so there's no problem at all, no champ is naked or whatever

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    I don't know what to tell you. These characters were clearly designed to have childlike attributes. Compare them to adult champions like Cassie. There's clearly a difference.


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    @taikonaut

    and? there are tons of game with child characters, tons of games where you play as a child, I don't understand the problem
    you don't like to play as a child, then don't, some people won't want to play as a walking bomb, EM can't just make a game fitting everyone's liking

    if there were issues about sexuality and children, then okay, but all champions (beside moji I think) are adults



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  • I WANT A GNOME IN A DROIDTIKA.

    I WANT A ROBOT THE AGE OF 3 WITH A FULLY DEVELOPED PSYCHE.

    I WANT A KID WITH A SLING SHOT AND A BOOMERANG WHO TURNS INTO A SPIRIT GUARDIAN WITH A BOW AND A GLAVE.

    Look there is nothing wrong with childish characters... but when they some jank elements in their kit and a real half assed back story you end up with talus and moji.

    Trust me when I say there is something brutal about crushing people with a cold hearted bitch of a witch.

    But the whole underlying murderous intent was replaced with the more friendly childish characters you can have issue with.

    Personally I think sha lin is more of a flank, so throw him in there once they restore his stealth prowess a bit...



  • @AYYDIMITRI said in Enough with the childlike champions:

    I WANT A GNOME IN A DROIDTIKA.

    I WANT A ROBOT THE AGE OF 3 WITH A FULLY DEVELOPED PSYCHE.

    I WANT A KID WITH A SLING SHOT AND A BOOMERANG WHO TURNS INTO A SPIRIT GUARDIAN WITH A BOW AND A GLAVE.

    Look there is nothing wrong with childish characters... but when they some jank elements in their kit and a real half assed back story you end up with talus and moji.

    Trust me when I say there is something brutal about crushing people with a cold hearted bitch of a witch.

    But the whole underlying murderous intent was replaced with the more friendly childish characters you can have issue with.

    Personally I think sha lin is more of a flank, so throw him in there once they restore his stealth prowess a bit...

    IDK I don't really feel comfortable playing Evie or Maeve either. They're pretty much personified by their color scheme, baby blue and pastel pink. Very childish colors tbh. They don't have a lot of personality compared to Cassie's upbeat relentless optimism or even Lian's cold snottiness (which I don't think is a good character either, after all who wants to play a snotty champion?)



  • @taikonaut

    You should read some of the Lore as the character Voices are representive of their Character and not just slapped in there because they wanted it to be. Also, how is someone's color palette going to determine someone's age/maturity.

    Maeve-Grew up as a thief, so obviously she's been in some shady business.
    Evie-Was kicked out from her own village and Lore hints that she annihilated her village because of it.
    Cassie-Cassie joined the fight because people of her village did, however a curse on Cassie had to be removed first by an Oracle, Cassie is very naive, which is why her character is more upbeat
    Lian-Lianis nobility, she also created a plan to make her the heiress of the Ruby Throne. Lian is nobility so the snottiness suites her character very well.



  • @Rauyne said in Enough with the childlike champions:

    @taikonaut

    You should read some of the Lore as the character Voices are representive of their Character and not just slapped in there because they wanted it to be. Also, how is someone's color palette going to determine someone's age/maturity.

    Maeve-Grew up as a thief, so obviously she's been in some shady business.
    Evie-Was kicked out from her own village and Lore hints that she annihilated her village because of it.
    Cassie-Cassie joined the fight because people of her village did, however a curse on Cassie had to be removed first by an Oracle, Cassie is very naive, which is why her character is more upbeat
    Lian-Lianis nobility, she also created a plan to make her the heiress of the Ruby Throne. Lian is nobility so the snottiness suites her character very well.

    If she's a "shady" "thief" why is she a short little midget with bright pink and cyan color schemes? And why is she constantly jumping around throwing daggers at people instead of lurking in the shadows?

    EVIE: Great, sounds exactly like the sort of temper tantrum I would expect from this baby-tier character. Evie isn't cool, she is difficult to play, and she's awful to fight against.

    CASSIE: I don't think of Cassie as naive, I think she's just a competent warrior maiden which naturally is why she's so optimistic.

    LIAN: Nah. You can have arrogant characters that are charismatic. There is a foulness to Lian's personality which absolutely irks me. Her galactic scion voicepack does a good job of making her sound both aristocratic and well-bred. Her default voice pack sounds meanspirited and stupid, to be frank, and doesn't have any of the grace that I would think a noblewoman would have. Cassie sounds easily more noble than Lian's default voice pack, or god forbid the beach voice pack. And don't give me any guff about having uncharismatic characters, uncharismatic characters are poorly designed characters.

    I mean seriously Lian's default voicepack sounds like she's ticked off all the time, which is not what I would expect of a princess.



  • @taikonaut

    Maeve:The jacket Maeve wears was stolen from the Magistrate. Color schemes have nothing to do with the characters, it's irrelevent.

    Evie:Sounds like your grips with Evie are based on your own skill level with the Champion. Evie is difficult to play, but rewarding and fun to most players. Evie isn't awful to fight against if you know what you're doing.

    Cassie:Cassie is naive, Cassie lived in her village all her life, mostly due to the curse. She has no real world experience, all she knows is people from her village are leaving to fight the Magistrate and she decides to join, once the curse is lifted.

    Lian:Lian is meanspirited, it is in her nature. She paved her path with blood after all. It's Lian's character, it sticks to the Lore.

    Before you judge a Champion based on their sound pack or personality, you should read up on the available Lore. It's on the Wiki, and each Lore isn't very long. It will help you with your narrow-mindedness and allow the realm of Paladins to be a bit more clearer.



  • @Rauyne said in Enough with the childlike champions:

    @taikonaut

    Maeve:The jacket Maeve wears was stolen from the Magistrate. Color schemes have nothing to do with the characters, it's irrelevent.

    Evie:Sounds like your grips with Evie are based on your own skill level with the Champion. Evie is difficult to play, but rewarding and fun to most players. Evie isn't awful to fight against if you know what you're doing.

    Cassie:Cassie is naive, Cassie lived in her village all her life, mostly due to the curse. She has no real world experience, all she knows is people from her village are leaving to fight the Magistrate and she decides to join, once the curse is lifted.

    Lian:Lian is meanspirited, it is in her nature. She paved her path with blood after all. It's Lian's character, it sticks to the Lore.

    Before you judge a Champion based on their sound pack or personality, you should read up on the available Lore. It's on the Wiki, and each Lore isn't very long. It will help you with your narrow-mindedness and allow the realm of Paladins to be a bit more clearer.

    "Color schemes have nothing to do with the characters, it's irrelevent." 😔 I have no idea where you got that notion.

    Evie it's true I'm not a great Evie player. That said, it's just not fun playing a short ranged champion. It requires a certain amount of energy that I don't have in me, and you get punished hard. The only champion I enjoy fighting a good Evie with is Strix or I guess Sha Lin, because those are the only champions that out DPS her. It's stupid how broken she is, with the ability to teleport everywhere all the time while everyone else is stuck on the ground. And again her character is so stupid. A spoiled, naughty, brat of a witch, with the color baby blue as her main significant visual feature. It'd be one thing if she was actually attractive, but she has the proportions of a 10 year old, so it's just a rotten character through and through. I like mobility like that in Quake or Urban Terror, where it lets you go fast but is easily predicted and countered by people who can aim well. Teleporting isn't that fun to fight. That said, only metaslaves play Evie because like I said she just isn't that fun, or an appealing character. Being restricted to slow moving rockets and having to ratchet your mobility up to 11 to accomplish anything is sort of like biking up a steep hill in 11th gear.

    Lian: not a charismatic character. Everything from her auto aim to her ult to her awful ugly voice is just annoying, stupid, and unlikeable. Cassie is a total babe who requires finesse to pull off. The only thing Lian's got going for her is being the only proper hitscan carry in the game, since Strix is a sniper. I love playing Lian for her gameplay, but her personality is awful, and like I said her abilities are just braindead and overpowered. They really could have done a better job on this character. I don't want to play an angry mean spoiled princess, it's just not a good look. If she was a nice spoiled princess, or a tyrannical military ruler, those are character designs that can appeal to your average gamer. Even if she was a tyrannical princess, that'd be pretty epic if executed with care. But she just seems to be in a sour mood, which isn't really appealing. I always feel embarrassed when using the default lian voice pack to VHS as it's one of the most offputting voicepacks in the game due to its attitude problem.

    Lore: not really relevant compared to the actual in game characteristics of the character.


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  • @TangAce said in Enough with the childlike champions:

    maeve is 19, she looks like a kid cause she's a tigron that's all

    Maeve doesn't look like a kid. It's a typical adult face. Small eyes, big nose, serious expression. She doesn't have big tits, but this alone doesn't make her look like a kid.

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  • Here are some images where we can compare Maeve to the typical adult female human, Cassie.

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    It's pretty obvious she was designed to look like a child.



  • This topic is so unnecassary and pointless. This fellow is trying to push his politics and moral stuff. This forums and the game are not the place for that.

    Also the only child alike champion is Talus and he runs around half naked all the time. But no one goes like "Hey kid wear a shirt, you gonna catch cold." Why doesn't that bother you? Wouldn't you be sad if Talus catches cold? Where is your sensevity?



  • @jocasela said in Enough with the childlike champions:

    This topic is so unnecassary and pointless. This fellow is trying to push his politics and moral stuff. This forums and the game are not the place for that.

    Also the only child alike champion is Talus and he runs around half naked all the time. But no one goes like "Hey kid wear a shirt, you gonna catch cold." Why doesn't that bother you? Wouldn't you be sad if Talus catches cold? Where is your sensevity?

    Well, obviously I'm not confronted with sexualizations of Talus all the time. If Talus was deleted from the game I'd be 100% okay with it. He's a horrible character with awful gameplay that doesn't require much skill and is difficult to fight against. His personality is basically a beige little bull on two legs. If they made him a minotaur he'd be about 10x as interesting. But all that is a distraction. 99% of the people who play shooters are men and so obviously it's the sexualized little girls that are more of a problem. For what it's worth, I don't like the naked Koga or Fernando skins either.

    I'm not pushing politics and moral stuff. I'm pushing good game design. Playing with and and as children simply isn't cool. Super soldiers are cool. Minotaurs are cool. Beautiful women are cool. Weird little children are not cool.

    If you say Maeve isn't childlike, explain the images I just posted above your post comparing her to Cassie. She clearly has the size and proportions of an elementary schooler. It's quite unbelievable how you guys are incapable of seeing this.


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