The Guide to The Wekono's Chosen V2



  • I look up sometimes for checking tagging/notifications and I follow you, so I found it 🙂
    Life Rip is terrible, especially for supporters. Damba has the least weapon damage. He has low dmg overall and many of them are even from Gourd or Snake Toss, what aren't effected by Lifesteal. So Damba is the worst Life Rip user. Use still put this item into the 'useful' categroy...

    Anyways I don't like and never understood this 'recommened item' listing for champions. All of them are depends on the situations and on the actual balance changes on other stuffs, like Master Riding has been buffed, so its useful for everyone.

    Snake pit doesn't help damage Damba, at most on lvl 4, since its bonus has been changed quarter of a year ago.

    I don't wanna hurt you deeply, but I think guide writing is for realy good palyers like @TTraw or @TangAce. They are master with their champions, not just funs of them.


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    @KicsitCsicska said in The Guide to The Wekono's Chosen V2:

    Snake pit doesn't help damage Damba, at most on lvl 4, since its bonus has been changed quarter of a year ago.

    I know using snake pit seems stupid, and some points in the whole guide seems Weird, This guide is based on my opinion and my play style, I don’t use certain talents and cards the way meta use, I have my own play style, and it works well with me.

    @KicsitCsicska said in The Guide to The Wekono's Chosen V2:

    I don't wanna hurt you deeply, but I think guide writing is for realy good palyers like @TTraw or @TangAce. They are master with their champions, not just funs of them.

    This doesn’t hurt me, I know that my guide is not perfect, and I know that an early damba main can write better than me, it doesn’t matter.



  • @KicsitCsicska

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    We have unlimited space for guides, if you believe that you can write a better one, feel free to spend the time writing it.
    I will gladly post it. These are to help those who want to take the time to read them.
    As of now DambaKing is the only one to provide anything for this champ.

    I would add that no one plays Lian the way i do but it works and it works well, so you might what to think about not following the meta. Following the meta is only helpful if you are a pro and you play at pro level. I cant play Androxus like a pro so using the meta loadouts doesnt work for shit for me.

    Pro's are not reading these guides, these are for new people.


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    @Shadowpuppy

    following the meta is good also for people aiming to reach top level yaknow, even if they are new

    also there can be guides for both new and veteran players
    for exemple after thousands of hours there are still champs that I almost never played and a guide could be helpful
    or for returning players for exemple
    and new players still need quality guides, not noobi guides, if they are looking at a guide they want to improve, telling them how to win in noobi elo won't help them much, is more important improving than winning in low elo

    everyone plays however he wants to, but meta is a thing, sure some people will be good enough to actually make offmeta things work and eventually it'll become meta, but these are very experienced players
    And keep in mind that among every player that I've played with or against that were playing their own non meta thingy, very very few were playing good, how many times I've met someone telling me to play a champ this way or this way because dude said "no one does it but it works well" and in the end it of course couldn't work and I could utterly crush em, and I'm not even a good player, just someone who can use his brain a bit

    Other than that you can write as many guides as you want as long as it's a good quality



  • @TangAce Once again if you know so much, write a better damba guide. If it is in fact a better guide then i will post it above DambaKings as the best guides will always be at the top of the list... Your opinion is valuable, place it in a guide.
    All guides are is opinion based theory on what a player believes to be good. Players can read it and try it and make their own opinion on its value.

    I encourage people to add value to the guides section and i do not want this to be a place where people are afraid to add anything because someone like you wants to try and tear them down based on your biased opinion on their ideas.

    There can be multiple ideas! Without the need to destroy the other one.

    Feel free to checkout my Lian guide on Precision

    https://forums.hirezstudios.com/paladins/topic/2747/lian-precison



  • If a noob spands his/her time to read a guide about a champion, and you write outdated (Snake Pit 4) and dumb (life steal) things to him/her, you do the dirty on him/her. It's not honest.
    It's like when @Dusklicious wrote a card tier to Barik, and but his most OP card (Duble Time) onto a realy low tier, while it was clearly his best card, and it recived the deserved hardest nerf in his kit.
    I'm not a fun of guides tbh, I rather watch a pro gameplay. Guides can help in slow games, but its realy hard to use a read knowladge in realy time shooting situations.
    I read only one stunning guide in my life, and it was @TTraw 's about Seris. I played as her houndred of hours, but I still found there new and tricky things, like reload animation cut methode(s!!!), wall jump heal, Wormhole Evie counterplay...

    You should had wrote about:

    -If you are a healer Damba don't rush, get covered, stay alive and heal. Look around! Sometimes a low HP ally hides behind you, you should notice him/her and heal asap!
    -Use Mending Spirit as much as passible. Also use Eerie Presence on high level, coz you will miss.
    -His ult counters all self buff ults without cc immunity bonus, e.g. Tyra's and Buck's.
    -His ult can be exploded in the air by press E again! It gives him much more good situations than if you could just activate it on surfices. E.g. Use it on the round start on the highground on Stone Keep. Above the stairs where they hide.
    -He can start the reload process after healing, so if he suprise attacked he can stun soon, coz he already started to reload.
    -Wekono's Wrath garants an aditional bonus what you cannot find anywhere: it makes his reload able to shot a normal pit just after it! It doesn't work with his other talents. So he has literally 1100 burst dmg! Two of them are enaugh for kill the most champions.
    -Stun damba should never have full magazine! Waste one venom orb for let yourself relaod whenever. Reload is a better combat start than the basic venom orb as a Deft Hands 3 stun Damba.
    -Stun Damba still can be top healer: Play defensively, stay with your team, use Possession V and heal allies all the time for the 20% DR.
    -Stun cancels the shields what the tank have to hold (Fernando's, Makoa's without halfshell), so you can destroy them easily with a stun, what needs a good positioning. It can be dangerous to turn around the sield, so it depends on the situations.
    -Stun isn't big deal alone, its good with allies how can attack the stunned enemy. So stay with your team. If they all rush too far ask the damage dealer to defend you. You can follow them to but not to anywhere, be carfule. The healer's life is the most important.
    -You can stun shielded khan with a perfect aimed toss, coz it has a projectile trajectory, so it can fall onto his head!
    -His self heal card is trash, so better to keep Gourd for yourself, except when you are defended with full HP and the tank need more heal than the Mending Spirit.
    -Watch the enemies' items. Prefer to stun/ult enemies without Resillance!
    -Slither can't help your mobility too much, but it garants instant dmg and cc immunity, so you can use it against tons of things (like Drogoz ult, Seris ult, Lian ult, Term ult...)

    Just a short one, what can be useful. I still recommend to watch pros and see it in the real fight actions.



  • @KicsitCsicska

    I understand, your not going to write a guide only complain about other peoples work.

    -If you are a healer Damba don't rush, get covered, stay alive and heal. Look around! Sometimes a low HP ally hides behind you, you should notice him/her and heal asap! This is some real advanced stuff your talking

    -Use Mending Spirit as much as passible. Also use Eerie Presence on high level, coz you will miss. You mean to tell me a healer should be using his healing skill as much as possible, utterly ground breaking news !

    50% of this just looks like fluff that you spent no time thinking about. Some of this is in the guide and a small portion would be good in the guide.

    • Reload Cancelling

    • Dropping a snake over khan shield

    • -Wekono's Wrath garants an aditional bonus what you cannot find anywhere: it makes his reload able to shot a normal pit just after it! It doesn't work with his other talents. So he has literally 1100 burst dmg! Two of them are enaugh for kill the most champions. How the fuck is someone just going to know this if

    Like i stated before, anyone can create a guide, if you dont like it don't read it. If you would like to present something better be my guest, however if your just here to complain about other people doing work then i have no time for you.



  • @Shadowpuppy It's not a guide, just some ideas. I didn't think about them so much. I can complain and write true things without write a single guide, sorry.
    These are tips for noobs. I see many players how doesn't do those two things you are jibing on. You also know those players. Bad teachers doesn't tell the most important, simpliest truths, coz they don't even know someone doesn't know them. I listed them.

    Guides isn't like 'if you dont like it don't read it.'
    !!!
    It is like you don't know sht, you puts effort to learn and you belive to your source. And when it lies it's disgusting.

    I don't attack DambaKing, his guide isn't that bad. I just generally wrote about guide mistakes.

    Some more advices about his basic attack:
    -It has a falling trajectory and a slow projectile speed too, so its realy bad on range. It can spam at most... Try it out on shooting range on many ranges. It's first part of the trajectory has no fall. Shoot Viktors' foot. When you misses your shot just a little bit, it wont deal dmg so you can notice fall amount. It's important mostly on higher ranges. You also can do this trajectory learning methode with the reload stuff: snake toss. It has much straighter curve than his venom orb, and the Wekonos' Wrath's snake toss is also different by a little bit from the venom orb's! It can make your stun Damba long shots half-misses! Learn to hit with both of them on long range with stun Damba for the beautiful long range stuns!
    -It's hard to hit with his projectiles, he spends many time for heal allies, coz he has two separte healing abilities, so he can't even attack all the time. These are why Cauterize is a bad item for him. He is the worst cauterizer.
    -Many Damba and Seris players doesn't even use their attack skills coz of how bad these are on range. It's a huge mistake. You should spam attacksall the time when you can (you aren't healing, you have enaugh HP, and you don't have to face alone many enemies by attack them. Shot as much as you can without lower your healing output!
    His shot is hard to aim, but he still should deal dmg too for being as useful as possible, so I recommend to attack the enemy tanks as him: they are big and slow targets, Damba can shot them without many misses.
    +I recommend to jump before you try to stun a shielded Khan for the better angle. You have to learn to time your jump based on the level of Deft Hands. It isn't that ez, but worth.



  • I am also not so sure if a guide can be really effective to improve. I changed my Fernando style cause of the "sexy Nando" guide. A while ago KamiVS made his Coach-Kami videos but I didn't learn anything from those. I learned from a Jayflare trainer video about Nando though. The only vid ever that improved my playstyle.

    I think written guides are mostly tips&tricks and ideas what to try out. When I started playing Pip I played him as every other healer spamming my healing potions as fast as possible. Then I've read about internal cooldown, avoid cauterize, etc. and my healing outpout improved.

    But something like:
    When to stun?
    stun anyone who tries to outflank you.
    you can stun to assist your ally in a fight.
    stun the enemy frontline when he stands on the objective (To punish him/her).

    I stun everyone I can of course, I mean, why wouldn't I?


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    @Shadowpuppy

    first I'm a very very very bad damba as I almost never play him
    sure I know how he works and stuff but I'm not used to him at all
    second I have currently stopped with guides and competitive things in paladins for now, and I think everyone on this forum knows why

    as I've said there can be many ideas, but there will always one that'll be above the others, only geniuses will do better with weird out of meta stuff
    meta is called meta for a reason!

    of course meta can change and so some people playing differently might be onto something better

    anyway I won't do anything more than saying that



  • @M3RC3N4RI0 You are not going to read a guide and just perform everything in that guide as explained... It only gives your the concepts so you know what you are trying to learn.

    https://forums.hirezstudios.com/paladins/topic/2748/tips-to-improve-playing-flanks

    Reading this will not magicly make you a good flanker but it might help you understand where your going wrong or how you can work to impove.



  • @TangAce The meta would never change if everyone thought this way. It only holds you back from discoving fun new things. The best part of this game is the exploring nrw ideas.

    I would not be at 1700 hours of paladins playing the meta.. Maybe you would have more fun if you explored new things with an open mind.



  • @Shadowpuppy said in The Guide to The Wekono's Chosen V2:

    Reading this will not magicly make you a good flanker but it might help you understand where your going wrong or how you can work to impove.

    Not really. A good flank is jumping/hoping around with hyper-speed and doing lots of kills like Maeve, Evie or Tiberius. Flanks who can't do this like Moji, Skye, Lex, are played as damage, healer or shit.



  • @M3RC3N4RI0 said in The Guide to The Wekono's Chosen V2:

    Not really. A good flank is jumping/hoping around with hyper-speed and doing lots of kills like Maeve, Evie or Tiberius. Flanks who can't do this like Moji, Skye, Lex, are played as damage, healer or shit.

    😂 lol, i can only assume you do not play Maeve or Evie if you think thats what they are doing. There is so much more to being a good flank.

    Talus is a great flank and i do not jump around or play him as damage.

    If you actually tried to play Maeve Evie or Androxus you woulld find out quickly that jumping around and being fast is not going to help you.


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    @Shadowpuppy

    I've played over 3000 hours
    I've played off meta 90% of the time
    I have been banned multiple times because I was playing off meta
    and in the end, if you wanna be in high elo you need to be a meta slave, always play with a duo babysitting you, and pray your team isn't complete garbage

    you can ask anyone here on forum, they all know that I never liked playing meta

    but now I've given up, there is no way for me to go in higher level no matter what I play, matchmaking is garbage, I don't have duo, and I play with 40fps
    so no I don't have fun losing because my team can't do anything even tho I carry with 40fps, and no matter what I'll play this won't change



  • @TangAce Why even play the game if its not fun, being at a certain rank means nothing if its not fun any more. It is a game people, if it does not provide fun then wtf are you doing. We are not getting paid to play this. You dont get anything from being rated Masters...

    I play off meta in ranked and when i lose a match its not because of me performing poorly, that is all i can do. People take shit about Triple Nade Tyra or Precision Lian and its always the same. Match score shows me doing allot of work while all the people crying about my loadout selection did half of my numbers.

    The only place where meta lives as a main stay you cant change it, is healers, you can play off talent healer it just doesn't work unless there are two viable healing talents which most good healers dont have.


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    @Shadowpuppy

    that is why I stopped playing
    also, I wanted to join the pro league yaknow

    match score doesn't mean shit, I've seen people with 200k dmg who were utterly useless

    you can play off meta healer yaknow, if your team knows what they are supposed to do, you can even go triple tank or whatever as long as the team knows what they are doing



  • @TangAce Lol, have you ever been banned just coz you played off meta?


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    @KicsitCsicska

    multiple times yes, autoban was a thing, people got mad in ranked because of my picks, if you lose it's your fault if you win it's your team carried, so people reported me like mad
    I played skye years ago when she was considered total garbage for exemple, I had 80% winrate with her, I was getting reported almost every game

    and I know it's because of that

    I once got banned a week after I got unbanned, I didn't used chat at all during that week because I was in voice chat with my duo, only played ranked, got banned after one week of playing, and no matter how much I think of a reason I can't find one



  • @TangAce So me - as hybrid Seris main - should have been permabanned 😁 😁
    I didn't use any other champion until I reached diamond...
    Did they reported you for feeding?


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