Removing 3P mode - your opinion

  • @GerberGEEK said in Removing 3P mode - your opinion:

    I am furious at myself for thinking this, but the third person is what actually made this game unique. I understand the whole bug and FPS situation you guys are dealing with but the fact of the matter is, this is what made the game special to so many players. This is truly the one thing Hi-Rez did better then Overwatch, unreal tournament, and TF2 in terms of arena based games. It definitely must be tough feeling like we are all against you, but if you believe this is the right move, this is your game and it is up to you to make this decision. I will continue to play as I have always thoroughly enjoyed the game but it truly does feel like a big chunk is now missing.

    "Third person is what made the game unique"

    I'm not tryna be rude but I dont really know how else to say it.....


    Edit: you think your good at math,
    Your not. This game has had balance issues for f***ing years and it's your fault

  • @Conrad_Max said in Removing 3P mode - your opinion:

    @Vaporized, I know that you didn't down vote me. But apparently someone has an issue with:

    1. I still see teammates clowning around at the spawn point.

    2. I take the time in the spawn point to attempt to stategize with my team.

    The person who down voted my comment didn't bother to explain why they found this a bad thing. Especially the part of strategizing before a match?


  • PC

    @snick2426 3rd person made this game unique riiiiiiight this a FPS from the start, 3rd person is for player who only use it to watch on walls im guessing your not good on 1st person

    on 1st person it minimize the view
    on 3rd person you can see the area on wider range
    the reason why 3rd person was remove cause its a cheap move to see the enemy plain easy on small walls and corner

    if you want to use the cheap move use the taunt lol
    this is not a battle royal for you too use a cheap move on watching corners or your so called make the game unique

    do overwatch players complained on their 1st

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  • @roiwtto999 You think the only reason for players to want 3rd person back in the game is to be able to peek corners? no man, is not that, corner peeaking is not even a good tactic once you face against skilled players.
    Now 3rd person was just too much fun to use and I was 100% ok with it being disabled in ranked matches, player advantage wasn't even the reason they gave us to justify it's removal, it was cost of development right? but guys, you at EM, come on you could have saved it, even if it was not perfect. I don't really want to throw crap at you guys but the game still have a lot of thing that need fixing, and 3rd person was not one of them, people weren't even complaining unlike they do about other stuff.

    You know I played a lot and bought a lot of skins and passes back when 3rd person was available, so did my friends, now I haven't event touched the game but I assure you I would be back in a blink of an eye if you bring it back. EVEN if is it just available on custom matches, even then I'll jump right back in. How bad could it be if you give your players a little treat and enable 3rd person on custom matches, you would just make a bunch of people happy even if the feature has some problems.
    @Conrad_Max so people at EM do read this right? I mean if they know about how much people want this, they may reconsider at some point right? idk I might be feeling too hopeful today.

  • PC

    @Mr-Pepo 3rd person got wide range on view and easy camp corner watch you think im that stupid to know players do that tactics.....noob pleas the reason they want to bring back 3rd person is to do corner camp ive been seeing that tactis all the time before when they add 3rd person

    even when your on the high ground you can easily see player below on a good view when on 3rd person but on 1st person you can see but not way more

  • @roiwtto999 Yes yes I know it has some advantages, that's why 3rd person was disabled on ranked matches. 3rd person was only available on casual matches and even then it was not a big advantage, I mean people can still do it now using emotes or playing jenos if they want. So what you are complaining about here is still implemented in the game and has nothing to do with the removal of the third person toggle, the reason Evil Mojo gave to us on why they removed that feature from the game was not player advantage.

    Now I get why you may feel at disadvantage over a player using 3rd person if you like to play 1rst person only. That's why I'm only asking for 3rd person to be available on custom matches only, you don't have to play that if you don't want to is like playing 1 vs 1 mode, totally optional. And the only effect it would have on the state of the game would be more players coming back to paladins, and that's a good thing right?

  • Lets be fair, most people loved being able to apreciate the skins on their favorite characters WAY more than ranked playes actually using is as a mechanic to have a FOV advantage.

    And im not saying this just because i have the shore patrol skins 😄

  • On topic: I use skins not because I want to see them.

    Off topic: I use certain skins so that others will see and, perhaps, appreciate them. I rarely change the skin of a character unless something more representative of my personality and/or philosophies becomes available. In fact, some limited skins allow a few players a certain amount of recognition with the players they play with or against.

  • Moderator

    Do you guys not think it's time to maybe move on from this discussion?

    3P was removed and won't be coming back, so I don't think there's any point to continue on talking about it

  • @Peinzius Because? This was the most retarded decision they ever made and, maybe ( im not an expert) but forum is for discuss, u know Mr moderator? And heh, maybe it's good for you because this forum is already pretty dead.

  • I always preferred first person. But I got this game with my fiance when it came to Switch. At first we heard it was some cheap Overwatch knock off but we quickly fell in love with it.

    She always preferred third person and bought a lot of skins. With third person removed, she doesn't enjoy it and play it anymore. Without my favorite teammate to play with anymore, I don't play either. Now you just lost two customers who regularly spent money on skins, battle passes and chests.

    She's a streamer with a community she games with a lot too, and prefers cross platform games for that reason. She really wanted to make Paladins a big focus, and instead doesn't touch it.

    I guess one person and her community isn't a big deal, but I'm sure these kinds of things apply to others as well. You remove customizable parts for skins, you remove top play, you remove 3rd person.

    I love your game, but all these decisions are so anti consumer. Maybe slow down the new characters and focus more on stability without removing key features that makes the game great. I really hope you guys reverse this decision.

  • I just jumped back on after being away for a while to find 3rd person gone..
    The whole reason i started playing this back in beta was for 3rd person.

    Hi-rez you just lost a long time customer..

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  • So admittedly the one post was a bit.. No much and something unneeded. Not really mad it was deleted.
    That said though i'm not dropping this.

    Last night though i did have some time to think about this topic though, and one thing i kept hearing (mostly) as to why it was removed was some kind of glitch it caused. I never personally seen one but i could understand how it could make one. As it was a toggle.
    So here is my idea to fix that issue, the complaints about corner peeking, the issue of the devs having a hard time with supposed bugs due to it, and all other stuff.

    The idea is simple, if having it with first person was a problem, separated the two. Its clear in this post people want 3rd person back, myself included and if bugs were the actual reason for this separating the two would help with this.
    I'll explain.

    When the 3rd person was still on you had to toggle it from 1st to 3rd, it worked well in the time i played but i can see why i might make issues. So to fix this take the toggle out all together.
    Keep 3rd person restricted to Casual only but make a mode just for 3rd person. When loading into this mode you are automatically in 3rd person. No button press needed. The mode could be broken into three playstyles as well: Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, and Escort. In my opinion these were the best modes to play in 3rd person. They all worked really well.

    With third person in its own mode this would help the dev team also, let's say a bug comes up, the report will appear in either the normal/ranked mode or the new 3rd person mode. If the bug is about something in 3rd person mode it will appear only there. It would narrow it down and in turn make it easier to find.

    This idea also cuts out the corner peek argument as you will only be playing with others in 3rd person as well, 1st person players (as they claim) would not have a disadvantage because they would not have matches with 3rd person people.
    Games that offer 1st and 3rd already do this type of stuff that i've said here. The biggest i can think of is PUBG (Before i get the "not the same game" stuff hear me out)

    In PUBG the devs set up two modes, FPP and TPP, by doing this they drew in twice as many costumers and despite the lame controls and dated style it still draws large numbers on both styles. This forum shows that a large amount of people what 3rd person back in Paladins, this seems like the best way to please everyone.
    Just make it its own mode.

  • @VorxDargo The devs removed payload, survival and old siege cuz it didnt bring in enough money and didn't get a lotta attention. I don't think people would want to play games in just 3p and if they do, I feel like it'll just be a really small part of the playerbase. I mean why would u not wanna play the game cuz its not 3p? The gameplay is still the same its just a bigger FoV

  • @Carlolrac555
    You haven't looked over this post have you?

    But let's talk in terms of game then.
    Back when 3rd person was on the game the Casual matches loaded up for me on the PS side in a minute and a half, two minutes tops. Casual was heavily 3rd person.

    In ranked people waited two to four minutes.
    Numbers don't lie.

  • @Carlolrac555 Maybe small but Hi rez do nothing to repear their game and bring new players. Steam charts don't lie. Next month probably will be first month when the playerbase will be lower than 10k after 4 years.

  • Idea number two:

    If what i've heard is true and 3rd person was removed due to the devs not having the time or resources to deal with all the supposed bugs, then i'd suggest Paladins takes a que from Overwatch.

    Overwatch had people asking for 3rd person as well, and like here it was a fairly decent size who wanted it. Blizzard however didn't seem to care (sound familiar?) but in an attempt to reach new players and draw in the money the 3rd person style fans would bring they created something called the Workshop.
    Basically it allows the players to alter things in the game like modding or something, and with this there have been some amazing results. Players have not only added 3rd person to the Custom pages on Overwatch but created full games modes, activated fan fav modes that only appear once a year, and more.

    If Hi-Rez doesn't wanna personally deal with coding 3rd person anymore give us a mode like Workshop and let the playerbase do it for them.

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