Dusklicious' Tier List



  • @Dusklicious No skye doesnt heal 815/s, thats not true at all. She heals 625 HP over 2s which is a heal of 312.5/s then the extra 190/s is added up to 502.5 healing per second.


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    @SNIper-poTAto said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    @Dusklicious No skye doesnt heal 815/s, thats not true at all. She heals 625 HP over 2s which is a heal of 312.5/s then the extra 190/s is added up to 502.5 healing per second.

    Good point, but my point still stands that she still heals for a LOT for doing as much damage as she does at the same time (good heal per second, plus what is essentially only an 8 second cooldown on it, without accounting for Chronos, while it still heals for 6 whole seconds, which means only 2 seconds without any healing), and for having so much utility attached to that healing. It's not just the value of the heal that makes it strong in this case, it's the invisibility and the extra movement speed from Dissipate also. Both offer more utility than most any other support can on their heal.



  • I give @SNIper-poTAto and @Dusklicious upvotes for debating with facts and numbers.



  • @Dusklicious Smoke and dagger doesnt grant invisibility either, to allies but only to skye herself, allies only get loadout card benefits along with the 190/s heal atleast thats how it was when i played against a skye with this talent. But yea i agree her healing is a bit much considering she can flank/damage and heal at the same time if u can play her well.
    Anyways whats your reasoning for placing dredge in the low tier category? I personally think hes lower mid at best cuz all the people i know who actually play him do insanely well in high ranks.


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    @SNIper-poTAto Still though, there's plenty of utility in the ability itself, and a lot of damage/healing for one champion. Does the damage of a DPS and the healing of a Support.

    Dredge? He's flank bait. There's little for a Dredge to do against most flanks if the person playing them is competent. Evie is a potential exception, yes, but probably the only one. Plus almost any character can do well in Ranked. I've even seen Seris and Moji do well in a few games.



  • @Dusklicious
    Grohk has 5 second CD reduce for his totem on ghost walk. With Chronos II he has an 8 seconds CD on his totem. Totemic ward has 30% heal boost so it's 546 per second (without healing rain). I never see Skye as main healer so it's hard to judge, but the concept is not convincing. It may work in some matches (like trotem Grohk) but it's not reliable.


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    By the way, here's my list visualized (this list also has Tiberius in it):

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  • @Dusklicious said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    By the way, here's my list visualized (this list also has Tiberius in it):

    It unfortunately is already outdated. Torvald is probably dead now. Barik's self-heal also.


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    @M3RC3N4RI0 said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    @Dusklicious said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    By the way, here's my list visualized (this list also has Tiberius in it):

    It unfortunately is already outdated. Torvald is probably dead now. Barik's self-heal also.

    And unfortunately I can't play so I can make a new one, because the game is pretty much unplayable...

    Have a PTS tier list here though.



  • @Dusklicious Koga still high tier? Thought he dropped to Upper Mid.


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    @Demigod said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    @Dusklicious Koga still high tier? Thought he dropped to Upper Mid.

    On my PTS list, he's actually lower mid. The list where he's high is for 3.1.

    Hopefully here in a few days I can get my 3.2 list up.


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    Here is my current WIP tier list for 3.2 after playing for only about a couple of days:

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    NOTE: A few lower placements have shifted up as a result of adding a median mid tier.



  • @Dusklicious Pip bad (funny since he used to be median mid before the catalyst nerfs)

    Koga better than Zhin? Hmm.

    Fact that BK and Maeve are top tier signifies the fact Furia is the best support right now (BK and Maeve LOVEEEEEEESSSS Inflame)

    I honestly thought Barik was OP purely cuz of Double Time, but I trust your judgement for the dwarf... so.... Kay.


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    @Demigod said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    @Dusklicious Pip bad (funny since he used to be median mid before the catalyst nerfs)

    Koga better than Zhin? Hmm.

    Fact that BK and Maeve are top tier signifies the fact Furia is the best support right now (BK and Maeve LOVEEEEEEESSSS Inflame)

    I honestly thought Barik was OP purely cuz of Double Time, but I trust your judgement for the dwarf... so.... Kay.

    Pip is pretty bad. I would say that Pip's been bad for a pretty long while, at least as a support. The new Acrobat's Trick only helped a little, and not nearly enough to make him viable, at least as a healer. As a blaster, he's just outclassed by BK, Drogoz, and even Evie.

    Koga is still pretty f***ing strong actually. I've played with a few and they've been doing pretty solidly. Zhin on the other hand is looking just OK IMHO. But only time will tell on that one.

    Not necessarily. Furia's Cherish nerf is starting to make Blessing as good if not better of an option than Cherish is, which neither of them will get good healing off of the beams. Damba's buff is honestly making him the best support atm at least I think.

    No, there's more to it than that. Double Time was a bit of a crutch, that allowed him to be more of a top tier. Now, although a decent ways worse, he's still a very strong champion with very solid sustain, a bit too good of uptime on turrets, and the best tank honestly. Just no crutch in the form of Double Time anymore.



  • @Dusklicious Does your tier list reflect on other peoples opinion too? becuz I personally think Kinessa should swap places with Tyra. I feel like Tyra is not much helpful to flanks and only works really well with double damage comps since burn monster is being considered her best talent and that makes her more of a tank killer and point zoner. And for Kinessa, I think she can work with most comps. Shes a good counter for most tanks becuz of their big head hitbox and her burst can force backlines to use movement abilities/make them low enough for flanks to finish off quickly. Kinessa can carry if she just has a little protection against her counters while Tyra needs her team to work together to get full value of her kit and also careful drafting in ranked so that she doesnt get countered too hard due to lack of mobility.


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    @SNIper-poTAto said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    @Dusklicious Does your tier list reflect on other peoples opinion too? becuz I personally think Kinessa should swap places with Tyra. I feel like Tyra is not much helpful to flanks and only works really well with double damage comps since burn monster is being considered her best talent and that makes her more of a tank killer and point zoner. And for Kinessa, I think she can work with most comps. Shes a good counter for most tanks becuz of their big head hitbox and her burst can force backlines to use movement abilities/make them low enough for flanks to finish off quickly. Kinessa can carry if she just has a little protection against her counters while Tyra needs her team to work together to get full value of her kit and also careful drafting in ranked so that she doesnt get countered too hard due to lack of mobility.

    This is more of a personal tier list not really taking into account other peoples' opinions or experiences, but if my mind can be changed so can the list, but anyways...

    I honestly think that although Tyra can be flank bait (Kinessa can be as well, though to a lesser degree) and has a degree of team dependence, Kinessa can be very map dependent (as in she doesn't work on certain maps pretty much at all). Tyra also has better damage output, CC, and much better sustain (one of Kinessa's biggest problem areas). Tyra's tank shred is also quite useful in a meta where everyone seems to be so accustomed to double tank. Not to say Kinessa is bad by any means, but Tyra simply does more right now than Kinessa does in most situations in the hands of most players.

    Though you do make some good points, I'm not quite inclined to agree with your assessment of either Tyra or Kinessa.



  • @SNIper-poTAto Tyra is really stong, Playing burnmonster is what makes her flank bait... If you use triple nade she can destroy flanks and her normal burn monster still fucks up tanks..

    Burn monster is good but triple nade is just so much more versital.


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    @Shadowpuppy said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    @SNIper-poTAto Tyra is really stong, Playing burnmonster is what makes her flank bait... If you use triple nade she can destroy flanks and her normal burn monster still fucks up tanks..

    Burn monster is good but triple nade is just so much more versital.

    Problem with triple nade ends up being that you end up with a lot less pressure on the tanks, but this is pretty much the case. Tyra is potentially a powerhouse, but there's still a few things holding her back, and making her more mid-tier than anything when it comes to placement. She lacks bursts of mobility, her ult is pretty meh, and she's the DPS most affected by Cauterize. She's also outclassed in most scenarios by Vivian. Nonetheless, the fact she can still do good despite these flaws makes her a decent character worth using, even over Vivian in certain matchups (Raum, for example).

    Though there are a few placements I am considering changing at this point (chief among them are Moji and Willo), Tyra's is not one of them, @SNIper-poTAto.



  • @Dusklicious Explain me with your bigbrain why is nando so high (mid is high, ok?)? I find him weak garbage doesn't matter it's me playing or when he is on enemy team.

    Like, the buffs made him more fun and all, but viable? nah. What's your build?


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    @TTraw said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    @Dusklicious Explain me with your bigbrain why is nando so high (mid is high, ok?)? I find him weak garbage doesn't matter it's me playing or when he is on enemy team.

    Like, the buffs made him more fun and all, but viable? nah. What's your build?

    Nando applies caut really, REALLY well (within his range at least), he has plenty of mobility, and a pretty f***ing good ult as long as you know how to use it and your teammates have a good few functioning brain cells. Also with a good Scorch build he does quite a bit of damage.

    The buffs definitely made him viable, and honestly good in the right hands. Not going to say he's really anything above mid-tier, because he's really not, but viable? Honestly, yeah. Here are a couple of solid results I've personally gotten with him this patch alone:

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    My build (for Scorch, Nando is a ways better off than point) is: Launch I, Hot Pursuit II, Looks that Kill III, Fearless Leader IV, Incinerate V. Item-wise, best start on items is probably Caut/Nimble due to the weakness of Rejuvenate.


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