Dusklicious' Tier List



  • @SNIper-poTAto Tyra is really stong, Playing burnmonster is what makes her flank bait... If you use triple nade she can destroy flanks and her normal burn monster still fucks up tanks..

    Burn monster is good but triple nade is just so much more versital.


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    @Shadowpuppy said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    @SNIper-poTAto Tyra is really stong, Playing burnmonster is what makes her flank bait... If you use triple nade she can destroy flanks and her normal burn monster still fucks up tanks..

    Burn monster is good but triple nade is just so much more versital.

    Problem with triple nade ends up being that you end up with a lot less pressure on the tanks, but this is pretty much the case. Tyra is potentially a powerhouse, but there's still a few things holding her back, and making her more mid-tier than anything when it comes to placement. She lacks bursts of mobility, her ult is pretty meh, and she's the DPS most affected by Cauterize. She's also outclassed in most scenarios by Vivian. Nonetheless, the fact she can still do good despite these flaws makes her a decent character worth using, even over Vivian in certain matchups (Raum, for example).

    Though there are a few placements I am considering changing at this point (chief among them are Moji and Willo), Tyra's is not one of them, @SNIper-poTAto.



  • @Dusklicious Explain me with your bigbrain why is nando so high (mid is high, ok?)? I find him weak garbage doesn't matter it's me playing or when he is on enemy team.

    Like, the buffs made him more fun and all, but viable? nah. What's your build?


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    @TTraw said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    @Dusklicious Explain me with your bigbrain why is nando so high (mid is high, ok?)? I find him weak garbage doesn't matter it's me playing or when he is on enemy team.

    Like, the buffs made him more fun and all, but viable? nah. What's your build?

    Nando applies caut really, REALLY well (within his range at least), he has plenty of mobility, and a pretty f***ing good ult as long as you know how to use it and your teammates have a good few functioning brain cells. Also with a good Scorch build he does quite a bit of damage.

    The buffs definitely made him viable, and honestly good in the right hands. Not going to say he's really anything above mid-tier, because he's really not, but viable? Honestly, yeah. Here are a couple of solid results I've personally gotten with him this patch alone:

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    My build (for Scorch, Nando is a ways better off than point) is: Launch I, Hot Pursuit II, Looks that Kill III, Fearless Leader IV, Incinerate V. Item-wise, best start on items is probably Caut/Nimble due to the weakness of Rejuvenate.



  • Io is too low on your list, she is at least mid-tier. It's very easy to keep the team alive with her cause to her massive heal output. Yes she tends towards heal-bot a bit. But she has utility, Luna stun, Luna on point or pushing cart.

    Same goes for Moji. I have seen whole teams wiped out by Moji. Is Tiberious really that strong? I have played vs many but wasn't that impressed by his performance till now. Drogoz also seems a bit high since he is situational, map and opponent depending.

    Oh, and I have to try out Damba, if many gourds is really that strong now. 🙂

    About Nando. I think you need speed, either Hot Pursuit or Running start at V.

    @Demigod I tried Pip back and forth with combat medic and mega pot, it simply doesn't work. I have to work so hard to keep my team alive while with Io I only have to hold the right mouse-button from safe distance and still get more healing. The acrobat's trick doesn't work since Pip has not enough spare points. Something should be moved to the base kit, "cd reload" or "heal radius" or self-heal. All 3 are mandatory.


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    @M3RC3N4RI0 said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    Io is too low on your list, she is at least mid-tier. It's very easy to keep the team alive with her cause to her massive heal output. Yes she tends towards heal-bot a bit. But she has utility, Luna stun, Luna on point or pushing cart.

    Same goes for Moji. I have seen whole teams wiped out by Moji. Is Tiberious really that strong? I have played vs many but wasn't that impressed by his performance till now. Drogoz also seems a bit high since he is situational, map and opponent depending.

    Oh, and I have to try out Damba, if many gourds is really that strong now. 🙂

    About Nando. I think you need speed, either Hot Pursuit or Running start at V.

    I'm kind of back and forth on Io at the moment. On one hand, Luna is broken and on the other her healing is pretty meager compared to other supports (it's surely not massive as you say it is, it's on the low side at least from my experience). Still beats a Grohk in any respect, but not sure if she quite belongs in the same tier as Grover.

    Moji is one I'm not sure whether she's bad and simply people are allowing her to get fed or it's that her burst is so good on its own to make her a mid tier at least. She's one I've been back and forth on quite a bit.

    As for Tiberius, Yes he is. Massive damage output, probably the fastest charging ult in the game sans Morale Boosts/Ult Talents, and he's generally a character capable of easily carrying.

    On the note of Drogoz, he can be a bit map dependent for a high tier, but even then it's not a big deal when he can hover miles above even where your hitscans will likely see him. Heck, I'm not bad at Nessa, and Drogoz is actually a problem for me sometimes if they're running a good WYRM loadout and know what they're doing. That's a character that's supposed to be one of his strongest counters mind you.

    Damba in the hands of the right player should be really, really strong right now. But his stats are still going to be bad because nobody has any idea what they're doing playing him. Swear I can play him better than most Dambas I find in MM and my Damba's really bad.

    You really don't need that much speed on him. You'd be surprised how much speed Nimble plus having Launch/Hot Pursuit as fillers make Nando have a surprisingly high amount of mobility on their own. Add Fearless Leader III+ into the mix and you have dashes up quite often when you're getting elims.



  • @Dusklicious said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    My build (for Scorch, Nando is a ways better off than point) is: Launch I, Hot Pursuit II, Looks that Kill III, Fearless Leader IV, Incinerate V. Item-wise, best start on items is probably Caut/Nimble due to the weakness of Rejuvenate.

    Ehh, I still think he needs to be buffed.

    Either 1s off his Fireball to make it align with Hot Pursuit, or complete removal of Hot Pursui internal card if they want Fireball to work on 5s CD.

    Unfortunately, all he will get is increase in charge damage. Can't wait to burst people with knockbacked Charge + Looks That Kill Fireball + Charge for like 1400 burst, yep, that will be balanced.


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    First Edit to 3.2's List. Putting it down here for the sake of keeping the context of a few other comments, some suggestions which I have been able to find a basis for rationally. Io and Moji's new placements namely. I also have been seeing reason to put Drogoz lower, though I'm still in between calling him high tier and upper mid at this point.

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    By the way, yes, every character in every tier is sort of ordered meaning that (example) Barik is the best of the high tiers and Atlas is the worst of the low tiers. Though most characters within tiers aren't too far apart from each other in my view.

    EDIT: mistyped comment on Drogoz tiering.



  • @Dusklicious said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    her healing is pretty meager compared to other supports (it's surely not massive as you say it is, it's on the low side at least from my experience).

    Moonlight heals for 120 every 0.15s while channeling. What is 800/sec. If you add 15% for the damage reduction she heals for 920/sec what is very good. I played a bit at the shooting range and on longer duration her heal output is similar to Seris. Funny thing is, that Pip seems to have the highest healing of all supports. 🙂



  • RIP Lex.

    Btw, they called him "Bridge" flank in Jay's video justifying his balance.

    Oh noes the Seris disease is striking again.


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    @TTraw said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    RIP Lex.

    Btw, they called him "Bridge" flank in Jay's video justifying his balance.

    Oh noes the Seris disease is striking again.

    What's next? They're going to say Atlas is somehow a "bridge" tank when he's one of the hardest tanks if not the hardest tank in the game to play properly?

    Sounds like they're just being too lazy to fix some blatant balancing issues.

    @M3RC3N4RI0 That would be the case if the theoretical amount of output correlated with the actual amount of healing that gets output, which simply isn't the case. Not to mention, Chronos does nothing for Io so she can't scale the availability of her meter into late game like most supports can with their heals (Seris can't really do this either). I've never seen a non-Pip main outheal the other support with Pip since season 3. Not once. Also, I'll note if what you are suggesting is the case, why is Seris considered one of the worst supports in the game? She has a 1000/s heal on almost no cooldown at all, but yet she does not perform at all right now.



  • @Dusklicious said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    why is Seris considered one of the worst supports in the game? She has a 1000/s heal on almost no cooldown at all, but yet she does not perform at all right now.

    Seris has a 50% of the time cooldown on her heal, so "almost no" is maybe understated. Her 1K heal burst lasts only 2.5 seconds at max while Io can heal for 800 for about 10 seconds. Seris is like Io without Luna so she is not so good.


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    WEEK 1 EDIT: A few opinion changes, regarding Lian and Strix in most particular. Strix is still broken, and the talks of nerfs coming to him soon are well deserved, and Lian's lack of durability is beginning to haunt her. Also, I thought there'd be some effect on Atlas' viability after the Raum/Torvald nerfs, turns out I was wrong. He's still a bottom tier tank. Held out some hope, but not even with the most optimized build I can make with him, he STILL can't do pretty much anything.

    Also tiers in general went down a little.

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    And Seris is still a low tier support, but better than Grohk is now... right? I mean Grohk is atrocious, so Seris can't be any worse than that especially after getting buffs. And Io's placement is probably going to change a good few times I can feel it.



  • The list looks quite good now. Pip is too low I think, this is his position as main support, but as 2nd support with his strong CC, ult and movability, he is much better.
    Damba is too high. I tried him two times cause of your tierlist but no chance to make him work for me. He is the only support who has no oomph, no special effect. His Diamond and Platin winrate is 42%. His Master winrate is cough 41%. Damba is no upper tier at the moment, he is in desperate need of a buff.



  • @Dusklicious I am not sure talus is low Tier. Moji and Dredge are above him. But i can understand why you think so, almost 95% of the people that play him do it wrong. I will probably make him my next guide after i finish androxus


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    @Dusklicious I am not very good at "Tier listing" (maybe this is a BS, forgive me)
    any ways, Why do you think seris is a low tier? she's not that bad. Also buck is worse than talus and moji at least imo.


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    @M3RC3N4RI0 said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    The list looks quite good now. Pip is too low I think, this is his position as main support, but as 2nd support with his strong CC, ult and movability, he is much better.
    Damba is too high. I tried him two times cause of your tierlist but no chance to make him work for me. He is the only support who has no oomph, no special effect. His Diamond and Platin winrate is 42%. His Master winrate is cough 41%. Damba is no upper tier at the moment, he is in desperate need of a buff.

    I totally disagree with your stance on Damba. I think his winrate isn't due to him supposedly being weak. I think it's because people play him wrong and to little effect. Damba's always been considered one of the hardest champions in the game to play properly after all. I honestly thought he'd be super strong right now. Winrates are far from everything the way I see it. Gourd heals are really, REALLY crazy potentially, but I'm not sure that people understand how to pull it off. I surely don't. Though I think Damba honestly has potential to be even high tier in the right hands. But he's always played with the wrong ones. Though he will go down a few spots with the winrate in mind.

    @Shadowpuppy Yeah Talus might be too low. He's not bad, he's just outclassed by Koga in most respects. I may have made low tier too big in general, and that also contributes to Pip being too low as well. With Catalyst, he's not this bad. He's not good surely, but not necessarily bad. These two aren't nearly as bad as the other four, ESPECIALLY not Grohk and Torv.

    @DambaKing She has so many issues competing with other supports at higher level. The CDR fixes pretty much none of the issues she's had being competitively viable due to her quite lackluster ability to consistently heal. Also, her ult has so many problems other CC ults don't like not going through shields and Terminus Siphon in particular (most other CC ults do)... Buck, if anything, may be on the low side. Moji is a relatively cheese character, the way I see it, who still has issues, and Talus is still pretty much a worse Koga at everything except sheer damage output, though low tier may not be exactly appropriate for him because he's not BAD per say.


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    WEEK 1 RE-EDIT: A couple of disagreeable placements getting edited later:

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    Also, Raum's higher, and I also put Tiberius in top tier, because he's actually kind of busted right now.



  • @Dusklicious said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    I totally disagree with your stance on Damba. I think his winrate isn't due to him supposedly being weak. I think it's because people play him wrong and to little effect.

    That's why I think tierlists make only sense for a certain Rank/Skill. If Diamond players lack the skill to play Damba effectively he might still be very effective in a pro-player match. Atlas is not bottom tier if the players have Grandmaster skill. It's just extremely difficult to play him as effective as a Fernando.


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    @M3RC3N4RI0 said in Dusklicious' Tier List:

    Atlas is not bottom tier if the players have Grandmaster skill. It's just extremely difficult to play him as effective as a Fernando.

    I could see low tier maybe, but not much higher than that. He's missing pretty much everything he needs to be viable.


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