October Rage Thread


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    @Zeebuoy said in October Rage Thread:

    @Dusklicious said in October Rage Thread:

    This next BP is abysmal, literally the worst BP ever except maybe Battle Suit.

    😠

    the one after this, angel theme, might have another jenos skin, and a 3rd Khan skin

    At least it isn't more skins for just DPS characters most of which are pretty awful... 🙃 (Zhin's is good, but the rest are ehh at best. Bomb King's is absurdly cringy and Vivian's is just designed like it should be for a different character).

    Still need a Torvald skin... Torvald be like:

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    I had to MM with the same toxic thrower twice in a row. 0/6/1 Ash that did nothing but die and 3/13/3 Skye that just dived and immediately died. I mean when literally all your elims are given to you by the rest of your team actually DOING THINGS, it's funny to say it's everyone else that's throwing, because it's so clear the opposite is the case.


    OK real talk, why would you ever pocket DPSes playing Mortal Reach Seris and leave your tank to die even though you are for some reason rushing Chronos on Seris? That's surely a form of throwing.



  • I really hate getting overly focused just because I'm the only one doing shit. Like this one game on Evie where I went 7-6 while my team went:

    • Maeve: 5-8 and I fed her one of her kills by the way
    • Lex: 4-10
    • Khan: 1-9 I know he was a solo tank, but that's still no excuse
    • Grover 2-9: he was actually okay and set up some of Lex's kills, but he couldn't do much.

    Next game I run into the same person on the enemy team (they were Lian last game and Lian this game) and the whole team just overly focused me. Like I had a Zhin and Tiberius chasing me around the entire map. Heck, a few of our Strix's kills were when Tiberius was busy chasing me, and Strix snipes him out of nowhere. As a matter of fact, Strix literally got a triple kill (his only good play) because Zhin, Lian, Tiberius, and Fernando were diving for me and that enabled Strix to pop off with a triple.

    And then another game as Evie where Strix, Bomb King, and Dredge were only aiming for me. Dredge even tried to solo ult me, and Strix even died a few times to a Viktor ult because he was too busy aiming at me. Bomb King died as well because instead of throwing bombs at the Viktor that was point blank shooting at him, he was aiming for me on the far end; you can't make this shit up.

    I get that it's casuals, and I don't expect to win, so I just go for fun. However, it really isn't fun being overly focused every time I play Evie. As a matter of fact, scratch that, I get overly focused when I play any flank. Like I'll literally get focused super hard and have people spray each time they kill me when I play a flank in casuals. This never happens when I'm playing Kinessa/Lian/Drogoz, or when I'm playing a support/tank. I'm starting to think this community has a flank bias.


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    You know what's fun?

    Solo tanking with a support that heals you 5 times in an entire match. Of course the Resonance Ying and the Damage Jenos solo supp... These are the kinds of people that deserve to lose all their games and the ones that should be banned from this game.

    If I ever leave this game, it's going to be because of people inting like that. You're CLEARLY going to lose if your tank is non-stop shredded in a way they can't prevent because YOU won't heal them!!! Or if you play Andro and make him look like the worst character in the game when he's actually the best flank in the game...

    I have reported 20+ people who fed that badly today, over the course of three hours... 😡

    Also I forgot about Agony Seris. Which is pretty much just legit a throw talent that somebody would only play for the sake of the lulz and making their team mad at them because THEY WON'T RUN AN ACTUALLY DECENT TALENT! And of course EM doesn't take this issue remotely seriously because I BET only ONE of these people will actually have "action taken against them" when it's SO F***ING OBVIOUS THEY'RE TRYING AS HARD AS THEY CAN TO MAKE PLAYING THIS GAME MISERABLE FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!! But oh, forbid that you try to avoid playing with idiots like this in ranked, because that's clearly a much more egregious offense.


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    @Dusklicious Ban me then.. A win with my Res Ying.. First Ying match in ages. I hardly play TDM either.

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    I have a RED WALL NOW.... Some of these people that play this game are f***ing idiots.

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    Between the solo heal catalyst Pip, the solo heal Res Ying that healed me 5 times... This time it's supports who are getting my ire. I thought support-kind and I were bros. Huh, guess not the throwing ones.


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    @Dusklicious Feeding streak.. ROFL.


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    Suggesting a re-buff of Grand Design....

    There is no possible way that suggestion could possibly be reasonable unless you legitimately want Corvus to stay broken... 25% free lifesteal on 2 people while Corvus heals for ALL of it is clearly balanced... 🤣

    If that's balanced then even Ash's lifesteal card needs a buff... Which it doesn't... 😆

    And I bet you the person I'm talking about is going to say "what Corvus isn't good" And I'll say, "uhh he's literally meta defining right now because 25% free lifesteal on 2 characters is legit broken. Oh and do you want Vik and Viv to still be too good in the meta, because that's the consequence."



  • @Dusklicious said in October Rage Thread:

    You know what's fun?

    Solo tanking with a support that heals you 5 times in an entire match. Of course the Resonance Ying and the Damage Jenos solo supp... These are the kinds of people that deserve to lose all their games and the ones that should be banned from this game.

    If I ever leave this game, it's going to be because of people inting like that. You're CLEARLY going to lose if your tank is non-stop shredded in a way they can't prevent because YOU won't heal them!!! Or if you play Andro and make him look like the worst character in the game when he's actually the best flank in the game...

    I have reported 20+ people who fed that badly today, over the course of three hours... 😡

    Also I forgot about Agony Seris. Which is pretty much just legit a throw talent that somebody would only play for the sake of the lulz and making their team mad at them because THEY WON'T RUN AN ACTUALLY DECENT TALENT! And of course EM doesn't take this issue remotely seriously because I BET only ONE of these people will actually have "action taken against them" when it's SO F***ING OBVIOUS THEY'RE TRYING AS HARD AS THEY CAN TO MAKE PLAYING THIS GAME MISERABLE FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!! But oh, forbid that you try to avoid playing with idiots like this in ranked, because that's clearly a much more egregious offense.

    Supports who go solo damage are the reason less and less people are tanking. It's not even the tank nerfs, it's literally the fucking support players who don't heal. A lot of them think they're getting revenge on dps instalockers, but they're really just making people want to tank even less. Like I've filled games as tanks. Sure it's annoying when the dps can't hit a shot, but it's agonizing to have a support that doesn't heal when you're a tank.

    Binary Jenos can actually work if they have a healing loadout. It's just the case of "why go Jenos if not Luminary?" Agony Seris is a meme and outclassed by every other talent. Why would you go Agony as a solo support, when Mortal Reach flat out heals more? Why would you go Agony as a dps when Soul Collector not only does more damage, but it also ups your sustain? Resonance is also a meme and outclassed by every other talent as well. Focusing Lens does more damage, and that is a fact. Life Exchange does more healing, and that is a fact.

    @Vaporized said in October Rage Thread:

    @Dusklicious Ban me then.. A win with my Res Ying.. First Ying match in ages. I hardly play TDM either.

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    Why would you play Resonance Ying though? I mean, outside of niche situations of course. Like, you do less healing than Life Exchange and less damage than Focusing Lens, so you get the worst of both worlds. So I will never understand why Ying players like that talent. I mean, as sad as the Solar Blessing Furia players are, seriously that talent is ass, I can at least understand why they would play it. Same with Debilitate, even though Smoke and Dagger Skye or bust. I just don't understand why anyone would logically play Resonance Ying.


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    @HeartQueen they arent logical thats why XD. I played reso in bots onslaught on my craptop just to grind lvls bc i cant aim with 1fps.


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    @Vaporized said in October Rage Thread:

    @Dusklicious Ban me then.. A win with my Res Ying.. First Ying match in ages. I hardly play TDM either.

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    Why would you play Resonance Ying though?

    There's literally no reason whatsoever to play it over just running Focusing Lens. You don't have to use up your illusions to do damage that way AND your ult will charge faster... Playing Reso Ying at this point is just pointless to do, and 90% of the time tells me the person running it is trolling.



  • The guy I was in a party with was a salty shit. "I'm tired of losing with you!" Take in mind, this was casuals. And I honestly don't know wtf he expected. Did he expect a miracle or something? I can't flank a Strix with a Corvus and Jenos pocket as Evie, so that's a bust man. I don't know what to tell you. It's a miracle that I even killed him 3 times due to the element of surprise and my ultimate. Plus I fed him some of his kills with my ult, so meh.

    Next game, I was Kinessa and he was Inara. I was the only dps who knew how to shoot a gun and kill something on my team, so I was naturally focused by the 3-stack in a party. And even with eyes on me, I still managed to have the least amount of deaths, the most kills, and top damage. A fucking joke.

    Next game I was Kinessa again, and I was the only one on my team who went positive at 11-7. Not sure what miracle he expected to pull. Maybe I need the skill of Ladji, or maybe he needs to look at himself as well for some of the losses. 🤔 Nah, that would be too logical.

    I'm like fam, if you really want to win casual matches that badly, just stack onslaught and test maps. lol. Guaranteed a 70%+ win rate, or your money back! lol.



  • @Nico said in October Rage Thread:

    @HeartQueen they arent logical thats why XD. I played reso in bots onslaught on my craptop just to grind lvls bc i cant aim with 1fps.

    Yeah, I honestly see Resonance as the talent for Ying players with bad aim. Can't aim Focusing Lens shots and can't aim Life Exchange heals, so they go for the auto-aim shatters and try to max out morale boost. It's also telling that the best Resonance players that I've come across don't even main that talent.

    @Dusklicious said in October Rage Thread:

    @Vaporized said in October Rage Thread:

    @Dusklicious Ban me then.. A win with my Res Ying.. First Ying match in ages. I hardly play TDM either.

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    Why would you play Resonance Ying though?

    There's literally no reason whatsoever to play it over just running Focusing Lens. You don't have to use up your illusions to do damage that way AND your ult will charge faster... Playing Reso Ying at this point is just pointless to do, and 90% of the time tells me the person running it is trolling.

    It is a troll at this point. Like it's so bad. Most Resonance Ying players are not good at all. I've seen like maybe 7 good Resonance Ying players, and most of them main Life Exchange Ying.


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    @HeartQueen said in October Rage Thread:

    Why would you play Resonance Ying though? I mean, outside of niche situations of course. Like, you do less healing than Life Exchange and less damage than Focusing Lens, so you get the worst of both worlds. So I will never understand why Ying players like that talent. I mean, as sad as the Solar Blessing Furia players are, seriously that talent is ass, I can at least understand why they would play it. Same with Debilitate, even though Smoke and Dagger Skye or bust. I just don't understand why anyone would logically play Resonance Ying.

    I flat out suck with Life Exchange. If I want to heal bot I'll pick another champion.

    In this particular match my healing was on par with the Grover so my team didn't suffer because of it. The Seris did roughly half the healing the Grover and I did.

    The idea in this match was the Illusions would always explode providing some extra damage. I have to admit the damage didn't work out as planned and Focusing Lens likely would have been better.

    Also, since I don't play TDM or Onslaught much, lately I've been using those modes to practice things I suck with, off talents or just champions I haven't played in a while.

    BTW, a Focusing Lens match a few months ago - obviously no aim and no heals. I know, looks like some bots on both teams.. Seems no one cares about this problem.

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  • @Vaporized That works out against bad teams and that composition. However, against most compositions, especially in this hitscan meta, Resonance Ying is a literal throw pick. Like I remember this one dork who went Resonance while my team had all direct damage (Skye, Strix, Inara, Furia and Khan). She went 3-10 and actually left her Androxus and Viktor with no sustain, which is why we won. I flat out asked her why she went Resonance against a team with all direct damage, "bruh, we can literally just kill you without even touching your illusions, so what was the point?" But she got 100k damage in 18 minutes with 70k healing, so she thought she did great and blamed her Androxus and Viktor. Granted, Androxus did dive us too much, and got a fat beam to the face. He probably should have been a bit more passive, and to be honest, Androxus really wasn't the pick on Frog Isle against a Strix and Furia backline. However, she also shared the blame as well.

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    Meanwhile, I was the Furia, I had more than double her healing. I healed more than her and Seris combined.

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    Even though I had half of her damage, I got more than double the amount of kills, almost triple. That's because my damage was efficient. I basically helped Strix secure kills on Androxus and I killed the supports. I could've farmed damage on Ash, but that would be stupid. Much better to kill both supports and then use beam on Androxus when he tries to dive me.

    That's the issue with most supports I come across. They don't think about efficiency, which is why a lot of them think Solar Blessing and Resonance are good.



  • In argument of healing meta design...
    I really want heal boost and pocket talents removed in favour of better healing abilities and combos.

    Boosting Healing values via talent should not be a dependant play style, even if it allows aggressive action and recovery times, it just allows a healing talent to have greater potential to overwhelm a fight until the counter options are stressed when this should be the essence of the character regardless of talent.
    Forcing a player to play a restrict playstyle for a team desired outcome, even if that role is lacklustre for personal entertainment, the victory achieved from sating the recovery demand by pump healing is not skill, its just not fun playing that support where the only influence you have is heal power.

    Support Champions should have a mix of single target and an area healing instead of a single strong healing aspect that has potential to outright override a duel, with some design to carry themselves through the fight without having to build cards for it...

    If not multi ability healing combos, then a consideration mechanic to compensate for lack of reactive priority target wombo healing by means of non reactive ramping healing mechanics brought by ability restrictions such as, the longer ability is applied / longer champion is in range of or within area of ability, or by granting feeble sustain over time values independent of requiring support focus to marginally boost a characters means of self sustain rather then require a reactive burst heal.

    I find the power of channelled healing to be too focused on output power, thus it becomes a combat influence in battle to mitigate damage to large extent, when it could have some of its power reduced and displaced across other areas as previously mentioned. There are many ways in which the current forms of healing that we take issues with can have their direct power misdirected in order to have base kit passive changes to improve game quality and influence in other areas.

    Overall I believe the value of healing should aim to match each others champions healing potential per minute, this value only boosted only by abilities that lockout damage for the sake of additional healing, and cards that see healing power returned off of eliminations or wise kit restrictions, environment requirements or ability sacrifices... Its just understanding the the maximum potential value gained from each return mechanic and finding a fair balance.

    Hostile support talents are sort of all over the place with potential impact, some have weak area control, some are damage influence, some are single target lockout that hurts harder.

    Personally I would prefer 3 types of zoning and control talents over heal talents that reduce player defence and hostility for a stronger hand holding value.


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    @HeartQueen

    OK, you healed much more but (huge but) you had two fronts to heal as solo support. Their combined healing was 140k with only one front.

    If you look at total damage output of both teams.
    Your team: 349k
    Enemy: 440k

    Almost 100k difference in damage delivered. They can't heal what didn't come in.

    Apples to oranges. Not looking at the whole picture is what causes a lot of unwarranted toxic BS (not directed towards anyone specific).

    I have to side with the Ying doing decent. Seris appears to have been the primary support. I would place more blame on her than anyone else. I mean 14k damage in 18 minutes and healing is par with the "damage" Ying? It's not hard to hit a slow moving Inara with the orbs.

    I wasn't there so - opinions from stats.. whatever.


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    That match you have to Corv into a pro Strix.



  • @Vaporized said in October Rage Thread:

    @HeartQueen

    OK, you healed much more but (huge but) you had two fronts to heal as solo support. Their combined healing was 140k with only one front.

    If you look at total damage output of both teams.
    Your team: 349k
    Enemy: 440k

    Almost 100k difference in damage delivered. They can't heal what didn't come in.

    Apples to oranges. Not looking at the whole picture is what causes a lot of unwarranted toxic BS (not directed towards anyone specific).

    I have to side with the Ying doing decent. Seris appears to have been the primary support. I would place more blame on her than anyone else. I mean 14k damage in 18 minutes and healing is par with the "damage" Ying? It's not hard to hit a slow moving Inara with the orbs.

    I wasn't there so - opinions from stats.. whatever.

    Here's the issue. Ying basically farmed damage on Inara and Khan on point, while Skye waited for Androxus to dive, I send a beam, and she kills him. Then Khan moves off point when she goes into the backline, and they both kill Viktor and eveything falls apart. Both of them didn't look behind them at all, and Ying didn't even try to focus me or Strix. She just farmed damage on Inara. The least either of them could have done was try to pressure me into retreating so I couldn't peek to heal Skye, Khan, or Inara. Ying herself couldn't put an illusion by Viktor and turned around to help him with Skye and Khan.

    Ying did none of that. She just farmed damage on point (half of her damage came from illusions and not her hitting shots, if it were actual shots hit, she would have less damage than me). In that case, she can't just blame the dps only when she didn't do a good job as well.

    Also, our team did efficient damage. We basically took out the Androxus who got no healing from his team, took out the Viktor who got no healing from his team, and then killed the supports and Ash eventually falls. If you do 100k damage and only get 3 kills, something is wrong there. It means the damage you're applying is useless or you don't have cauterize. Illusion explosions don't apply cauterize, so that was the big issue in my theory. So she only did 53,229 useful damage. And most of that damage was done to Inara, who I healed up since Ying most likely got morale boost like most Resonance players do.


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