Seris Outperforming Other Healers



  • First let me start off by saying, this is not a rage thread. I would really appreciate it if Hi-Rez could buff other healers to be competitive with Seris. Just in a casual quick match, the opposing team had three healers, most of which went healing, I'll post the screenshot below. We had tier 3 cauterize and we still couldn't make a dent in Seris' healing at the end screen. So here is hoping to make other healers to be as good as Seris. Before people say Furia, the only time I see solar blessing is when there is a Yagorath. Seris just has everything a healer could desire, AoE healing, strong single target healing, and a great escape. Now here is proof that I'm not talking nonsense.Seris Outperforming Other Healers.jpg





  • @InfectedMazuken said in Seris Outperforming Other Healers:

    Seris just has everything a healer could desire, AoE healing, strong single target healing, and a great escape.

    While I won't comment on Seris' effectiveness due to my obvious bias related to playtime on her, I must point out that this is literally opposite of what strong support needs in this game.

    A good support wants to output strong damage, bring powerful utilities and game changing ultimate while outputing enough heals to sustain their team.

    At higher ranks it doesn't matter if your escape is great, and if your heals are super high, aoe or not. Most of the time they want "enough" heals while bringing high carry potential, game changing abilities and qualities.

    That's what I think anyway, interpret it as you will.


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    As if a random casual match actually is a dictator of balance. Might as well pull up a Moji stomp and say "Moji OP please nerf"

    Seris honestly is still a bottom 3 support... She has no utility whatsoever and is not very good at keeping her whole team alive... She can get a pretty decent amount of healing now, but just play Ying she does the exact same thing better and can bodyblock with illusions. She might be decent if she had base kit agony maybe, but the way she is now... She's as bad as Io if not worse.



  • @InfectedMazuken Seris is ok, but she is not out performing other healers. She is a strong single target heal however her utility is trash.

    Jenos grab
    Damba stun
    Luna Stun
    Furia Stun
    Grover Cripple
    Pip Slow

    All base kit abilities

    Seris gets a little extra damage and some more self healing woopie



  • Seris has a high healing output but she has to channel her heals and if she uses her full healing potential she is busy 50% of the time with healing. A healer who just has to click once every 3-5 seconds to use the full healing output, can use 90% of the time to shoot or change position or use CC. Those supports have to compensate for that with a lower healing output. The only other channeling healer is Io who has a similar high healing as Seris. If their healing would be as low as that of Furia for example they'd be not viable.



  • @Dusklicious said in Seris Outperforming Other Healers:

    As if a random casual match actually is a dictator of balance. Might as well pull up a Moji stomp and say "Moji OP please nerf"

    Seris honestly is still a bottom 3 support... She has no utility whatsoever and is not very good at keeping her whole team alive... She can get a pretty decent amount of healing now, but just play Ying she does the exact same thing better and can bodyblock with illusions. She might be decent if she had base kit agony maybe, but the way she is now... She's as bad as Io if not worse.

    Seris ain't a bottom 3 support. Seris is B tier tbh. Though I'm happy with her spot for the most part as a beginner friendly support. Maybe buffing her damage to 250 per orbs would be nice, but she's okay for the most part. She isn't overpowered or severely underpowered.



  • @M3RC3N4RI0 said in Seris Outperforming Other Healers:

    Seris has a high healing output but she has to channel her heals and if she uses her full healing potential she is busy 50% of the time with healing. A healer who just has to click once every 3-5 seconds to use the full healing output, can use 90% of the time to shoot or change position or use CC. Those supports have to compensate for that with a lower healing output. The only other channeling healer is Io who has a similar high healing as Seris. If their healing would be as low as that of Furia for example they'd be not viable.

    Well, thank you for opening my eyes to that, you are right in that regard. I didn't take that into account. Now that you say that, it does make more sense.



  • @Dusklicious said in Seris Outperforming Other Healers:

    As if a random casual match actually is a dictator of balance. Might as well pull up a Moji stomp and say "Moji OP please nerf"
    Seris honestly is still a bottom 3 support... She has no utility whatsoever and is not very good at keeping her whole team alive... She can get a pretty decent amount of healing now, but just play Ying she does the exact same thing better and can bodyblock with illusions. She might be decent if she had base kit agony maybe, but the way she is now... She's as bad as Io if not worse.

    As if a random casual match actually is a dictator of balance. (and yes it is because most people do play casual) then might as well pull up a tyra stomp and say "burn monster OP please nerf"(and yes please do)

    Seris honestly is still a upper 2 support... She has no utility whatsoever because stuning avery 3 seconds is "no utility and be and being able to have a get out of jail free card evey 4 seconds is "no utility and is very good at keeping her whole team alive... furia can get a pretty decent amount of healing now because yagorath is easy to hit, but just play Ying she does the exact same thing but worse because she need buffs like 80% of all healers and she can bodyblock with her illusions making her so meta ;). She might be op if she had base kit agony maybe, but the way she is now... is leaps ahead of Io. if not better than 80% of all healers .



  • @Shadowpuppy said in Seris Outperforming Other Healers:

    @InfectedMazuken Seris is ok, but she is not out performing other healers. She is a strong single target heal however her utility is trash.

    Jenos grab
    Damba stun
    Luna Stun
    Furia Stun
    Grover Cripple
    Pip Slow

    All base kit abilities

    Seris gets a little extra damage and some more self healing woopie

    Seris is ok, but she is out performing other healers. She has a strong single target heal and the best multi heal however her stun and escape is good to if you go for talent.

    Jenot grab but his healing is bad and bad escape
    Damba stun but his bad escape
    Luna Stun but every 18 seconds and bad escape
    Furia Stun she has bad escape but the rest makes up for it
    Grover Cripple but healing is not good
    Pip Slow but his/her healing is not good but he/her is a flanker and you know it

    All base kit abilities but no good HEALING!!! except furia

    Seris gets a little extra healing not much only half a Yagorath hp bar and some more self healing woopie





  • @doodstamper said in Seris Outperforming Other Healers:

    @Dusklicious said in Seris Outperforming Other Healers:

    As if a random casual match actually is a dictator of balance. Might as well pull up a Moji stomp and say "Moji OP please nerf"
    Seris honestly is still a bottom 3 support... She has no utility whatsoever and is not very good at keeping her whole team alive... She can get a pretty decent amount of healing now, but just play Ying she does the exact same thing better and can bodyblock with illusions. She might be decent if she had base kit agony maybe, but the way she is now... She's as bad as Io if not worse.

    As if a random casual match actually is a dictator of balance. (and yes it is because most people do play casual) then might as well pull up a tyra stomp and say "burn monster OP please nerf"(and yes please do)

    Seris honestly is still a upper 2 support... She has no utility whatsoever because stuning avery 3 seconds is "no utility and be and being able to have a get out of jail free card evey 4 seconds is "no utility and is very good at keeping her whole team alive... furia can get a pretty decent amount of healing now because yagorath is easy to hit, but just play Ying she does the exact same thing but worse because she need buffs like 80% of all healers and she can bodyblock with her illusions making her so meta ;). She might be op if she had base kit agony maybe, but the way she is now... is leaps ahead of Io. if not better than 80% of all healers .

    You don't balance around casual matches or lower elo though. You balance around the top players, which is Diamond II and above. Think about Androxus. People are able to kill Androxus in higher elo, and effectively counter him. That means that there is decent counterplay to him. Androxus is weak to Tiberius, Cassie, Sha Lin, Lian, Kinessa, Atlas, Zhin, Buck, Ash, Raum, Barik, Inara, Furia, Mal'Damba, etc. Certain comps hard counter Androxus as well. Such as double damage dealers since they poke him out, and double supports since the supports just heal each other and kill him. So there is counter play to Androxus, which means he isn't overpowered.

    @doodstamper said in Seris Outperforming Other Healers:

    @Shadowpuppy said in Seris Outperforming Other Healers:

    @InfectedMazuken Seris is ok, but she is not out performing other healers. She is a strong single target heal however her utility is trash.

    Jenos grab
    Damba stun
    Luna Stun
    Furia Stun
    Grover Cripple
    Pip Slow

    All base kit abilities

    Seris gets a little extra damage and some more self healing woopie

    Seris is ok, but she is out performing other healers. She has a strong single target heal and the best multi heal however her stun and escape is good to if you go for talent.

    Jenot grab but his healing is bad and bad escape
    Damba stun but his bad escape
    Luna Stun but every 18 seconds and bad escape
    Furia Stun she has bad escape but the rest makes up for it
    Grover Cripple but healing is not good
    Pip Slow but his/her healing is not good but he/her is a flanker and you know it

    All base kit abilities but no good HEALING!!! except furia

    Seris gets a little extra healing not much only half a Yagorath hp bar and some more self healing woopie

    Jenos is bad, no defense there.
    Damba has a decent escape, his sustain card is just ass.
    Io is bad due to nerfs.
    Furia duels instead of escaping. Why escape when you can win the 1v1?
    Grover heals a lot, and is a top 5 pure healer statistically with Rampant Blooming.
    Pip needs buffs tbh. I have a tier list of supports. https://forums.hirezstudios.com/paladins/topic/5673/console-tier-list-for-supports-4-2/21 Look at it!


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