Some changes to make the game less frustrating


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    @Driggydrug

    how would it affect the game? well it wouldn't be paladins anymore, paladins isn't a game with huge mobility, it has mobility yes, it's not damn overwatch lol, but it's not tribes either

    except that willo or dredge deal way more than 400 dmg lol, and that it's not on a 8sec cooldown
    lian is only good because of her ult and presence tbh not cause autoaim

    mmmmh, you truly manage to kill a heaven 3 willo during her ult with andro? he's my most played champ, I can maybe get her low life with some luck, nothing more

    willo has a way easier time hitting a drogoz or evie while in ult than they can hit her due to projectile speed, drogoz ult is useless since willo's ult is as fast lul and that she can shoot while moving

    as I said strix does counter willo, but she can still hide or wit till strix dies, or even focus him instantly so he dies

    cassie and sha are projectile, no way you can hit her more than she does, and lian has too much falloff at this range, hit 150 while willo hits 800 lul

    I'm complaining because this ult is too strong, the only thing you can do is hide and pray she doesn't find you, any other ult is avoidable or counterable, especially strong ults like this one, only strix and cassie can't be countered, but it's not an ult killing an entire team on his own

    beside strix I can't think of anything countering willo's ult

    cassie does require aim, most new players do shit with her for that reason, even saw people complaining that she was one of the starting champs but lian is way easier
    she has always been broken that's true, but you can't compare now and ob68 on a single champ, things were different, she was a good pick compared to other champs, if you nerf her that much now, she'll become the next imani or sha (also I was talking about strix and lian's suggestion, your cassie one would kill her) big game is fine as it is right now, tanks have shields and can take cover for the duration of the buff, ofc you'll take at least one shot mid air, but most people outside of pro are using blast shot, and anyway the combo is what makes her so strong, cause like lian it counters most flanks and other damages

    about no scopes, I have played some casual without scoping even once, I was able to win at least half my 1v1 situations...there is a range at which your noscope can't miss, and a range at which it's very unlikely to miss, I remember some great evie ulting me, and I just turned around 1shot from death, out of reflex I press a button and she dies cause of dumb luck...
    and I'm not confusing, even if quickscopes at close range are unmissable and bullshit lol, but when I die to strix I usually watch the replay to understand what happened

    and about offtanks, khan need a rework on bullet's storm, koa need hook fix, torv need global rework (cause he's either op or useless depending on the patch...) and atlas need to go **** himself into the abyss and disappear from paladins forever, seriously send him back to the future and make him stays there so we don't see him back soon



  • @TangAce said in Some changes to make the game less frustrating:

    @Driggydrug

    how would it affect the game? well it wouldn't be paladins anymore, paladins isn't a game with huge mobility, it has mobility yes, it's not damn overwatch lol, but it's not tribes either

    You're wrong here, paladins was firstly built for long combats and very fast characters in very big maps. After it became an open beta the game has changed, the ttk got slightly reduced and maps separated to make them more small.
    The game had this style for more than 2 years and had a really big success! The paladins we have now it's just an easier version of overwatch, it keeps losing players and it's very bad balanced. Mobility nerfs were bad placed, they have only contributed to creating the well known "burst meta" and making the classes unbalanced. Paladins was made for that level of mobility and as you can see, nerfing it only caused problems.
    The fact that you can't deal with mobility doesn't mean that it's bad and must be nerfed, paladins was made for fast characters, like it or not you have to accept that.
    I can go forever talking about mobility and its beneficts in paladins but since I'm tired of repeating the same things I just suggest you to talk with pros. Z1unknown, digedog, bugzy or even helvian (he's not a pro but he knows the game well), ask them why the old mobility should comeback.

    except that willo or dredge deal way more than 400 dmg lol, and that it's not on a 8sec cooldown
    lian is only good because of her ult and presence tbh not cause autoaim

    This doesn't change the fact that lian's aimbot can be used to deal free 800 damage on flying/retreating targets without aiming. The point I was trying to make is that lian's aimbot isn't even close to aoe.
    Bad or not, grace and valor needs to be fixed as soon as possible, aimbot has no place in an fps.

    mmmmh, you truly manage to kill a heaven 3 willo during her ult with andro? he's my most played champ, I can maybe get her low life with some luck, nothing more

    Andro (along with drogoz, bk and evie) is my most played champion too ( lvl 64 with 200 hours) and everytime I see a willo ulting I rush her and burst her down (with cursed revolver btw). Literally every ranged/mobile character can kill while she floats midair.

    willo has a way easier time hitting a drogoz or evie while in ult than they can hit her due to projectile speed, drogoz ult is useless since willo's ult is as fast lul and that she can shoot while moving

    as I said strix does counter willo, but she can still hide or wit till strix dies, or even focus him instantly so he dies

    What then?? Willo shouldn't be able to hide? That's the point of the ult, reach high/hidden spots and deal damage from them. If she wasn't able to hide during fae flight then tell me how can that ult be decent. Literally so many things counter it, even lex with death hastens (from a personal experience)

    cassie and sha are projectile, no way you can hit her more than she does, and lian has too much falloff at this range, hit 150 while willo hits 800 lul

    Cassie and shalin projectile? They're semihitscan mate, they're projectile speed is a joke.
    Lian can deal 1200 damage and spam her autoaim bs + some weapon shots to kill her

    I'm complaining because this ult is too strong, the only thing you can do is hide and pray she doesn't find you, any other ult is avoidable or counterable, especially strong ults like this one, only strix and cassie can't be countered, but it's not an ult killing an entire team on his own

    Nah, so many characters can outrange her. She is very easy to hit, that's why fae flight got buffed.

    beside strix I can't think of anything countering willo's ult

    With decent aim and good range you can kill her easly, trust me, its so satisfying lmao.

    cassie does require aim, most new players do shit with her for that reason, even saw people complaining that she was one of the starting champs but lian is way easier
    she has always been broken that's true, but you can't compare now and ob68 on a single champ, things were different, she was a good pick compared to other champs, if you nerf her that much now, she'll become the next imani or sha (also I was talking about strix and lian's suggestion, your cassie one would kill her) big game is fine as it is right now, tanks have shields and can take cover for the duration of the buff, ofc you'll take at least one shot mid air, but most people outside of pro are using blast shot, and anyway the combo is what makes her so strong, cause like lian it counters most flanks and other damages

    Cassie requires aim?
    Her projectiles are a joke, they deal so much damage and they're the fastest in the game.
    I hear so many complains about her projectile speed being overbuffed and the tip : CASSIE FIRES PROJECTILES, TRY TO AVOID THEM is still in the game lmao.
    The only projectiles you can avoid in this game are seris soul orbs.
    Cassie isn't fine and needs heavy damage nerfs or at least a projectile speed reduction, 30 less damage wouldn't kill her, she has so many ways to get bonus damage, plus she has that broken burst combo that destroys flankers...
    I'd rework big game for 2 reasons.

    1. it's the most annoying thing to fight against, I don't care of shields, heals etc... % based bonus damage are braindead and only cause frustration. Cassie already melts everyone by default, big game makes everything worse, it's fucking stupid.
    2. 3 talents that give more damage to a character, how original. Talents were build to create different playstyles, atlast 1 talent should be reworked and give some different effects.
      Mobility (as I suggested), self healimg or even CC... stop with cancer damage.

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    @Driggydrug
    I have no idea what elo you are playing in, but a good willo will ult far in the air, so far that you gotta use 3 dashes to eventually deal damage without falloff, then you fall and you deal 150 dmg per shot, also a good willo would take haven 3 meaning you need more shots to kill her

    lian has insane falloff damage, even barik has less falloff lul, can't kill a willo with only 1200 damage lol, try to shoot down willo with sha then come back and tell me if you were able to

    you can ask any one playing in high elo, they ban willo every game, even pros have a hardtime killing her out of ult, also she has the highest winrate in the game in the top 5% players

    the simple fact that you think willo isn't that good proves how ridiculous your arguments are

    cassie does require aim, not that easy to hit sniper shots with cassie, it's not even easy to kill a drogoz with cassie, and I'm gonna repeat, the only thing making cassie op is her combo, and everyone always said it, it's the damn only thing making her op
    big game is fine, you gotta hit disengage, then pray your enemy can't put shield or hide

    and there are many other projectiles you can avoid

    it seems you wanna play paladins as if it was tribes, slow projectile with insane mobility for a very skilled gameplay, but if you like tribes, you can go play tribes

    I have no interest in talking with some pros, I already talk with pros, also pros aren't the absolute truth
    it's like the so called meta, well I don't care about meta, if I think something might work am gonna try it to see if it does work or not
    so first go try and kill master willo out of her ult with anything other than strix in a 1v1, then you can come back and admit willo's ult is broken

    if you wanna see more mobility then ask for it, but it won't happen the way you want, as you can see I'm not the only one saying that stuff like the old dark stalker were op af

    I get that you love stomping on noobs who can't deal with insane mobility and to see a gameplay more based on mobility and aim, but paladins gameplay isn't that, at least not anymore, paladins is about having a brain, not having godlike aim


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