Soo current thoughts on the state of Terminus?

TERMINUS ABILITY ROTATION BUFFS....
Actual value to some cards in terminus loadout instead of undervalued trash.
Pity it still feels like it is missing alot in some areas.
Anyway, so now they are giving me perfect ability rotation with shatterfall and cards now...?
Not such a dire need for chronos... oook... much better.
Rocky will feel less like a sitting duck and more of a wondering pocket nuke who can move and keep denying damage a bit longer now.
He still will get chipped into oblivion, so no changes there then.

Fuck as much as I hate how much healing terminus needs half the time when playing against range.
That ability rotation will be pretty fluid compared to before... and better power siphon recharge buffs sounds pretty heavy for going that little bit harder
I still think Rocky is a half assed tank who needs a touch more momentary self regeneration over time in places as he is too reliant on eating and throwing it back, landing hits and farming ult... like a weak passive regeneration for each charge you have active or something, something subtle for staying power but there overall, like it follows with speed, but for weak sustain from witholding power instead of burst by throwing it, just something similar to Barik First Aid Station turret passive regeneration value would be ample.
In addition, his legendaries aside from crush could be more game altering, but fuck knows how, as it stands not they are pretty meh... even crush could do with a damage amp on first hit after or amping the damage of shatterfal marginally, the rest are just toying with values that could be in base kit.

Shame about the ult though, not really worth the wait now... but whatever...
I would like to see some talent that can activate the delyed explosion while alive for half the damage and reduced ult charge use or momentary DR while charging... just something to build on it at the expense of having the resurrect always up.
Idk, as he stands right now, he is fairly easy to ignore and fight around unless you are some staying power brawler, he can be hard to kill when doing his job and the team is sustaining him... I feel he just needs some more sustain independant of enemy and ally resources.

Minor reworks and a lot of value tweaks.
Bringing up my arguement that supporting PC controller systems on console would be healthy for balence changes and game quality of life when everyone is balenced around the same control system.

Console controllers are fine, but inorder to play ranked and to get a healthy balencing meta, you have to make console players gravitate to using PC bindings.
The controller settings have gotten better so that character with enough endurance and mobility such as rukus, grover and evie are somewhat playable due to TTK in the console environment in order to make up for the lack of PC contoller hit security vs hyper mobility.

I just do not understand way there is not more love for PC binding support on console, as then console can play with PC without such hinderances.

I'm not so sure on the movable turret concept unless you explain how its able to move... its redeploy lockout time and such.
Cause without a lockout on the redeploy, the ability would have a spammable reposition.
If it moves and works similar to Luna then I would argue that a rehash of the same ability would be mediocure... Not to say you can't use it as an ability, I'd just work to create aterations to that turret and make it differ from Luna but still share properties, just tailored for frontline class... so an endurance zoning tool...

Starting with the lockout CD, a 15s lockout on a dead turret that is just meat with no CC or Team Aura, sounds harsh for no reason.

Redeploy mechanic, you have to use a Teleport Reposition for the turret right, as it is the only decent way to move that kind of object....
I'm just thinking as a concept artist/storywriter here, if you had a the turret deconstruct itself over 1s to reconstruct itself over 1.5s in the location of your choosing, and turret comes redeployied with a full shield, that would make a sensible and fair reposition for a meat body turret with soft damage hitscan properties. Io's Luna teleport redeploy is somewhat instant, with distance travel time and telecasted direction, it also needs Io's healing dynamic to truely work and tank. Giving the turret its Non Dozer Countered HP every Redeploy would provide some sheer tank, reducing the death penalty would make it a more dependable resource for a Juggernaught to play with.
Oi knowing our foundness of Turrets I really want to see a champion whose turret has their own personallity akin to bolt and BK...

This Turret currently just seems to be a bullet eater that is countered by eating too many bullets too fast as its reliant on its staying power resource generation for its redeloy sustain... but if left unpressured, its maximum heal of ... 60x25=1500 after 4.5s is alright sustain.. but just clunky and counterintuitive with spammable deployment and no lockout time after deploy.
With spammy deployment and no lockout, or deployment time listed, this object could potentially avoid heaps of damage with good awareness unless it was limited to a players feet.... so further description would be nice.

I don't know about redeploy time, some 5-7s redeploy CD would be ample for a meat body asset of 2.4Kish over 2 HP pools that you have to look after.
Goes on CD on death is an interesting restriction for asset management and I would like to see features like these on some damage.

I would give the turret passive regeneration at base, with cards to amplify it when near your position or HP on redeploy with cards for turret sustain so its not a meter bassed sustain dynamic for a passive object with little influance...
Not unless that meter is also going to tick over into turret damage pressure somehow... or Turret CD reduction on death (I like that actually)... or something that allows its staying put to have influance on its power and tempo.

Personally I think the values could be 1K Deployable 1K Shield with 80 Base combat Regeneration... and maye even better redeploy and CD times then listed previously.
Idk about giving the turret out of combat regen as sustain since it is not a pet, I feel as though mechanical object should have liberty to self repair regeneration.

As for shield.... again with no lockout time reasoning... Having a person constantly able to deploy and destroy with no lockout time is just a bit jank.
So you can cast and recast this over and over again until busted. With no lockout time... its just not great quality of life for all to see it.
Personally this is the kind of guy who needs the Sigma cast and hault shield dynamic in overwatch to work with his reactive turret placement, this would be a better shield by design and easier to work at close cuarters to extended ranges.
I don't mind the idea... of these deployable barrier windows, but not on this champion... not with 4.5k HP strong sustained dps and a turret... too hostile, not endurance focused enought.
Not unless its a channeled shield that goes down when he gets hard cc or something while active, consumes the use of his hand to lockout turret movement or ult... someshit...

I just don't know about the ult...
.... hard supression on top of supression is kind of Bolts thing
.... your gun is not all that different to khans... man why doesn't khan have dual weilding... MAN WHY THE FUCK DOES KHAN NOT HAVE DUAL WIELDING, FUCK OVERPOWER, I WANT MORE DAKKA...
.... you could have another gun and still perform the same, maybe a weapon that can repair turret.... i digress save that for support...
.... your barriers sound pretty easy to shoot around due to size, mobility should be fine, no real hard line breaker, pleanty of hard line annoyance.

Best I can work out is a Silence Bubble Shield Grenade.... a 4k dome shield with silence inside deployed upto 30 units away, that activates after a deploy time delay, ends when popped or after 4s. Something with endurande and control, with a bit of counter ult potential that can synergise with turret placement.

Just some interesting thoughts.

@Demigod

However.
BACKLINE BOLT WILL BE INSANE
Aerial Assault with 3 Rocket Charges....

Absolute madman these people...
Now you get to salvo folk while going for the airborne flank hexifire.
Less wrecker pressure on shield.
Say hello to the one of the highest survivability / damage tanks in the game who can dive and flank, supress and sweep point, pretty much do everything you need in a tank except for point standing power and control.
But considering you shred anyone on point and anyone trying to contol your team with CC fairly well, if you play Bolt right he will be the better choice againt most tanks thanks to mobility and positioning.

Not too happy about the constant chips to Grover's endurance without giving him much in the way of beneficial hostility.
For a long time he did need team synergy, but Grovers ElimCDR is to much of a catalyst in a snowball while his ability to create one has forever been barred by lack of damage utility due to a 350 attack power cap on these items. You should not be playing with 4 other people picking up your slack as you are only a half decent supressor.

With the looming potential of 1000 - 1750 HP barik turrets, near infinte ying clones and such, dozer currently does little to nothing for grover after nerfs and a %60 damage amp vs deployables will not help... what the hell is another 180ish damage on a 350 base damage.... 530 damage vs deployables... so 2 - 3 sustained shots at max rank in dozer compared to other champs in the roster like pip and mal who would be packing the utility to kill one in 1-2 shots with dozer, and alot faster then grover's attack rate can allow.
After the wrecker and dozer nerfs, grover will just straight up have a hard time vs deployable shields and turrets giving him almost no reason whatsoever to take hostility items other then personal shield wrecker, or for anti heal to counter sustain healing that mitigates majority of your chipping damage without caut.

Next patch sha gets a 1k damage, with 2s cripple attack, with faster travel time and confirmability range then the grover cripple, to be supressing tank and vital support mobility at that range in conjunction with allies dive its almost a calulated kill.
His new ability has more then twice the damage and duration of an ability that used to make grover somewhat hostile as point denial and anti dive.
My point is grover needs hostility utility as its bonkers fighting a FL Ying behind an army of clones as her hitscan and attack damage overpowers yours at all ranges due to the fact you will never be able to brake ying clones as grover.

Not really the changes I wanted to see.

@Demigod

I didn't see %50 cauterise Fireball.
So no, I do not think so.

If I am going to dive something or put pressure into the enemy team, I want to wear it down, exhaust its ability to recovery. Not just have a fireball that can be healed through.
With that caut nerf, there is not much hope for nanado, any form or sustain or big healing is going to deny your chance at finding a target.

Sha Lin gets a cripple.
WELL ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME
I've been ranting bout this since old forms.

The stun is too assassin minded for a damage, cripple has wider array of team utility.
Idk why they want to keep the feeble area damage, I'd rather some damage over time combined with the explosive cripple arrow as a form of reveal.

Idk about the silence arrow though combined with extra damage... I would just throw recurve in base kit somehow and just have two cripple arrow charges or something....

I find it interesting, it feels like there is a bit of a nerf on overal player movement speed in the game, I would have just prefered instances of soft progressive slows to hault movement and maybe a couple more skill shot lockdowns and roots.

I really want Grovers Cripple axe to root by default. After getting its duration trimmed back, the momentary 1s cripple is not the greatest utility that a support can provide, something to add a bit more clutch power to his to CC would balence hin control inline with other supports. As it stands now, it only functions as a rective counter ability with a drawbacks that it does not make up for unless you are using the cripple axe for pick up or roots or something.

Egh WHEN WILL KING OF THE HILL LEAVE ONSLAUGHT GAMES...!!!?

I want my static point defence map.
No RNG bullshit.
I want semi tight, small medium maps with fairly good cover, high ground, spacing and the ability to fall back to base quickly for items and healing.
Marauders Port draws the line in many ways in how its size stresses the mobity of many champs.

@KicsitCsicska

No but your item system is horrible as most of these items would hardly see play, or due to the nature of there being so many items, cause havoc in low tier play. It just looks like a lot of uneeded work for no real gain.

If you consider these ramblings to be balenced then go write up your own game and implement it, there is an art in keeping it simple. I have taught 4 people this game this year, and getting them to use the store was the biggest headfuck just cause there is 16 Items with varied use, with deft hands and life rip being used in certain cases and builds.

As I have previously stated, the current item card system is not based around reactive item buffs like these, the more your cards focus on activation gimicks, the harder it is to see a consistant effect.

At the end of the day if there was more then 20 items, more people will make small brain idiot item picks and make the game harder to approach.

And to say baleneced when its being debated is arrogance.
Receiving a damage amp like that at max hp is the most laughable unbalenced one as supports with ample self healing such as pip would have too much potential power on his catalyst, while at the same time the conditions to maintain this are so hight that it is jank to even include it.

Somenof what you have made can me thown onto champion design, but not for the item store.

@roiwtto999

The enemy also see furia has the beam heal talent. But does the team react around that?
Unless her allies positioning are on point, there are so many ways a team can render less effective if it is deployed in a horrid location.

Tyra molotov, Cassie big game disenguage, Ash kinetic blast, the existance of bombking, Makoa hook, Atals ult and setback, Mal ult.. a few that just make furia waste an resources with this talent and leave her team prone to a dive. Unless 2 of your comrades understand this and use their positioning to provide you the best oppertunities to deploy heal then the enemy team might throw that against furia.