@Archenvu just like you said, there is too much easy damage and that's why TTK shouldn't get too low. I'm ok with low ttk only if the game is made for it and most importantly, ONLY IF HIGH DAMAGE IS HARD TO LAND.
I'm ok with dealing 1200 burst in 1 sec, but the skill gap then should be really high.
I remember evie, drogoz, kinessa... back in the day theese champs were the only ones that could deal more than 1000 damage per shot, and all of them were really hard to aim and play as well.
Paladins isn't really made for rushing people and kill them in 2 shots, paladins is a team based shooter, born in 2016 when maps were much bigger and fights longer.
In order to kill a tank, you should need team work, not press 2/3 buttons at the same time and melt them, like cassie, strix and lian do.
Now I don't want estremelly long ttk, with 7000 HP fernando like 3 years ago, but ffs, unnerf squishies and some tank's HP, and get rid of exaggerated EASY burst.

@XSuperDaveX "close range damage dealers" is just a joke people use to describe flankers that lack of mobility that like MOJI, SKYE, KOGA and BUCK. The others do pretty much well despite their short range, why?? Because, even if their HP are low they have good self healing and mobility.
Evie and meave don't even have short range, in fact they're top tier right now... they're also the most mobile flankers so they're low HP is well compensated.
The other flankers haven't the same good poke but they have pretty much the same concept, high survivability (sustain and mobility), high damage but short range and low HP.
Androxus isn't that good but yea you get how he works, he's an assassin... get close and kill.
Talus is another good one, I love playing him because he's super fast, has an insane excape and if you have good tracking you deal a lot of dps.
Zhin is different, he's not very mobile but incredibly durable... he also has good poke with yomi, he does well.
Buck could be a good flanker too but, because of his short leap with long cooldown , you really need a specific build to play him well (also caut counters him).
Same for koga, he really needs to get close because of his spread but the agility nerf made him useless.
So , except some bad designed girls MOJI AND SKYE that need to be reworked, flankers, who more , who less, work pretty much in the same way. Some one need a buff but the concept is the same for everyone:
Get close and kill squishies, also poke when needed (not everyone can)

@taikonaut I love carry characters too, but I just dislike strix because he's a noob friendly bodyshot machine with buggy hitboxes.
Everything in his kit is easy to land, that's the complete opposite of a sniper, a character supposed to be accurate.
And according to many other people, strix's bodyshot damage should be reduced to make him feel less bodyshot based.
Theese forums are filled with balance suggestions to make strix feel less braindead and more balanced.

Dude, just stop arguing about projectiles, strix, hitscan, cassie etc etc.. it doesn't make any sense.
Cassie is supposed to be projectile, she already feel hitscan enough due to her projectile speed.
You like playing strix more than cassie, then don't complain on forums about her.

Okay listen... tf2 competitive mode isn't popular, and that's true. But saying that the game isn't skill based is stupid.
Every weapon loadout, including stock, provides different playstyles, and most part of them however really depends on player's skill.
Market gardening is an example, really rewarding but very hard to play.
Half of the characters themselves are really hard to play and need a lot of pratice... soldier, sniper, spy, demoman, medic, scout.
Good gamesense, accuracy, timing, prediction and position requited.
The more you're skilled on tf2, the more you are rewarded.
And individual-skill isn't the only thing that matters, except being really skilled you also need to cooperate and communicate with your team (just to let you know, a good team knows when to use ubercharge, where to place dispensers, sentries, teleports, when to retreat or push) create compositions (in competitive mode the meta composition is for example ROAMER SOLDIER,POCKRT SOLDIER, SCOUT, MEDIC, DEMOMAN and sometimes SNIPER.)
I repeat, a competitive game is a game where noob can't kill a pro, a game where skill matters, not luck ...and tf2 is one of them, not shoot and roam in the map like you say.
You're making the same error with everything, don't inform and try before writing.

@taikonaut said in Buff Cassie:

@Snipah said in Buff Cassie:

Mate, making damagers OP won't absolutely improve any kind of FPS, especially paladins.
We already have problems with insane burst combos, like cassie, strix and lian...then imagine buffing and making them easier!
Even the title of this thread is wrong, cassie neefs a nerf, making her hitscan is dumb and would make her way too easy to play (and also, as I said before, an hitscan crossbow doesn't make sense).
You miss shots as cassie? Then pratice, because when you'll have decent aim (not even good, just mediocre prediction because cassie has ridicously fast projectiles) you'll wreck everyone.
Tanks ain't OP because of damage is low, HP too high etc etc... they just overperform with damage, they're too aggressive, they can destroy everything with their high dps + high HP and sustain.
Buffing damage will just create even more confusion between classes and turn this game into a non-sense, noskill FPS.
This is not COD, the main concept of paladins is team coordination, strategy and long fights.
PS. your preferences don't matter because you have to be realistic while writing a post, you want damagers to be buffed just to have more fun with them, but you also have to consider that other classes exist and the skill gap in terms of aiming is already kind of low... imagine making an already broken character hitscan lol.
In conclusion, paladins has to keep its own style: team work, strategy, positioning and aiming (and I also have doubts about the last two because balancement rn is going well) not rushing someone with damagers and win.

OPNESS OF CASSIE: Eh she doesn't feel OP compared to Strix like I've said innumerable times. You miss half your shots as Cassie. The shots you do hit do less damage than Strix's shots. It's just not even close to be honest. I watch Isbittenner stream Cassie and he misses plenty of shots with her because unless you're up close or you have them booped, you just can't accurately predict their movements 100% of the time. So he ends up sitting in the backline, since she's a sniper, projectile vomiting in the enemy's general direction, and hoping some of them hit. Not a very amazing gameplay experience to be honest. Again I'd just play Lian instead but guess what: to compensate for her accuracy, she has massive damage falloff. Not to great either. So instead you play Strix and do a flat 1800 damage from across the map. Pity being scoped in isn't always fun.

Why the hell are you comparing everything to strix? He's so not a reference, he's actually broken and the fact that he's more OP than a character doesn't mean that "THAT CHARACTER IS BAD".
You want to buff cassie because YOU miss half of your shots so YOU can't deal the same amount of dps of broken ass strix, is this even a constructive point?
You're basically reasoning like this "if a character requires more skill and is less broken than strix must be buffed".
Just freaking pratice, cassie's shots and her burst combos are estremely easy to land and can kill any squishy even faster than strix.
Cassie is busted, lian is busted, strix is busted and all of them have 1 thing in common, they require very basic aim.
That's the fact you don't want to understand, you prefer hitscans over projectiles (that's what you're letting me know with this long discussion) so you complain about cassie.
Mate, cassie is easy, her hitboxes are huge, her projectiles are fast and her burst combos are lethal, shots will automatically connect to the target and deal an absurd amount of burst without range limits... I don't even know why this thread is still UP, I mean, he clearly wants to change a character just because he likes hitscan.

PALADINS VS OTHER SHOOTERS: Well since other shooters are a whole heckuva lot more successful than Paladins, which was largely billed as a cheap Overwatch knockoff and forgotten about by the general FPS community, I'd say imitating them isn't all that bad.

Why?? Copying and imitating isn't the key of success. People want fresh ideas, new concepts and cool gameplay.
Paladins had his own style for 3 years and now it's slowly becoming an ow copy.
The half-moba fps concept was a success, and can still do well.
I read this everywhere and I may seem a little repetitive by saying this once again but... PALADINS = STRATEGY, LONG COMBATS, TEAM WORK, POSITIONING, AIMING, CASTLES, FORTS, TEMPLE AND NATURE, NOT I SHOOT FIRST I WIN.

@REDBelmont456 said in Buff Cassie:

As a high gold rank duelist in Quake I can tell you hands down that Drogoz and Cassie are the most fun damage classes in the game for me to play. On average I go 18-30+ eliminations with either of them and that’s with the way they are now... I used to easily get over 40-60 Elims.

I still say the issue you’re having is lack of character knowledge or trying to play a character in a way that it’s not intended to be played. That does not make a character inherently bad especially when others say Cassie and Drogoz are still OP...

You can argue about tanks as much as you want, but facts are facts, and the fact is that if you’re playing a Frontline as a damage or a flanker then there’s a good chance you’re gonna lose your team the game.

Also, comparing this game to TF2 which was originally a mod for an arena shooter and only added classes in which you could play as duplicates is kinda moot, as the balance of this game would go out the window if you could play as 5 duplicate champs...

I main that australian man with a sniper rifle, yea sniper MATE.
I'm playing tf2 a lot and comparing it to paladins it's just stupid. Tf2 is much less casual, more reactive and skill based.
You have to be estremely accurate to carry with some characters... it's much more SELF-SKILL dependend, like an fps arena.
But tf2 also has medic, engi and other factors that require coordination and team work.
It's basically half arena half team based.
Imo a competitive game isn't just a game that has esports... a competitivr game is a game where a noob can't kill a pro, a game where you have to pratice and spend hours, not just being lucky.(random crits are ofc an exception lol)
That's why tf2 is competitive and paladins is causal/noob friendly.
And that's one of the numerous reasons why you can't compare theese 2 games, the competitive aspect.
Tf2 also has much more years of experience regarding balancement, the game has followed its own style since 2007, it isn't very changed since that year. They wanted to start and keep only only 9 well balanced classes, while paladins keeps changing in a bad way and introducing new characters to earn money and then let them die and being forgotten.

(Also I know that I should have quitted the forums time ago with my last thread but I feel OBLIGATED to give my answer to this guy since what he's saying just hurts me lmao... but for real, I need to stop now xD)

@Dusklicious @AYYDIMITRI
Thank you for your answers.
I agree with you, TDM and KOTH, imo, are boring and rushed, with repetitive and problematic maps (except snowfall junction, primal court and maybe foreman rise... the only ones I enjoy).
Let's assume that hirez scraps thoose 2 gamemodes and replace them with something better, what would you like to see?
Personally, I'd like to play payload again, survival was nice too.
But it would be awesome to have an "OLD SIEGE" mode, with the old huge maps, where you had to destroy the payload and the gate... omg I want to try it so hard :c

In this post I won't give any critice or balancement suggestion, not even a single complain about balancement, no long discussions on the same points.
I just want to know other's people feedback.
Why? Because I'm done with complains, I'm done with theese forums, I'm done with Paladins. I won't waste my time repeating always the same things, I won't be noticed by anyone, it is pointless.
But before leaving this game forever, I wanted to know, what people think of paladins' gamemodes...idk, just curious. I saw many posts of people complaining of TDM or ONSLAUGHT being boring or people asking for payload and survival to come back.
Give me your thoughts, do you think that TDM, ONSLAUGHT and KingOfTheHill are boring?? Do you think that PAYLOAD and SURVIVAL should comeback??
Focus on thoose 3 gamemodes, leave siege alone, it is fine, tell me your issues with them.

Thanks for reading my threads guys, it was a good experience.
Just going to leave this last one here

@TangAce said in Some changes to make the game less frustrating:

@Driggydrug

how would it affect the game? well it wouldn't be paladins anymore, paladins isn't a game with huge mobility, it has mobility yes, it's not damn overwatch lol, but it's not tribes either

You're wrong here, paladins was firstly built for long combats and very fast characters in very big maps. After it became an open beta the game has changed, the ttk got slightly reduced and maps separated to make them more small.
The game had this style for more than 2 years and had a really big success! The paladins we have now it's just an easier version of overwatch, it keeps losing players and it's very bad balanced. Mobility nerfs were bad placed, they have only contributed to creating the well known "burst meta" and making the classes unbalanced. Paladins was made for that level of mobility and as you can see, nerfing it only caused problems.
The fact that you can't deal with mobility doesn't mean that it's bad and must be nerfed, paladins was made for fast characters, like it or not you have to accept that.
I can go forever talking about mobility and its beneficts in paladins but since I'm tired of repeating the same things I just suggest you to talk with pros. Z1unknown, digedog, bugzy or even helvian (he's not a pro but he knows the game well), ask them why the old mobility should comeback.

except that willo or dredge deal way more than 400 dmg lol, and that it's not on a 8sec cooldown
lian is only good because of her ult and presence tbh not cause autoaim

This doesn't change the fact that lian's aimbot can be used to deal free 800 damage on flying/retreating targets without aiming. The point I was trying to make is that lian's aimbot isn't even close to aoe.
Bad or not, grace and valor needs to be fixed as soon as possible, aimbot has no place in an fps.

mmmmh, you truly manage to kill a heaven 3 willo during her ult with andro? he's my most played champ, I can maybe get her low life with some luck, nothing more

Andro (along with drogoz, bk and evie) is my most played champion too ( lvl 64 with 200 hours) and everytime I see a willo ulting I rush her and burst her down (with cursed revolver btw). Literally every ranged/mobile character can kill while she floats midair.

willo has a way easier time hitting a drogoz or evie while in ult than they can hit her due to projectile speed, drogoz ult is useless since willo's ult is as fast lul and that she can shoot while moving

as I said strix does counter willo, but she can still hide or wit till strix dies, or even focus him instantly so he dies

What then?? Willo shouldn't be able to hide? That's the point of the ult, reach high/hidden spots and deal damage from them. If she wasn't able to hide during fae flight then tell me how can that ult be decent. Literally so many things counter it, even lex with death hastens (from a personal experience)

cassie and sha are projectile, no way you can hit her more than she does, and lian has too much falloff at this range, hit 150 while willo hits 800 lul

Cassie and shalin projectile? They're semihitscan mate, they're projectile speed is a joke.
Lian can deal 1200 damage and spam her autoaim bs + some weapon shots to kill her

I'm complaining because this ult is too strong, the only thing you can do is hide and pray she doesn't find you, any other ult is avoidable or counterable, especially strong ults like this one, only strix and cassie can't be countered, but it's not an ult killing an entire team on his own

Nah, so many characters can outrange her. She is very easy to hit, that's why fae flight got buffed.

beside strix I can't think of anything countering willo's ult

With decent aim and good range you can kill her easly, trust me, its so satisfying lmao.

cassie does require aim, most new players do shit with her for that reason, even saw people complaining that she was one of the starting champs but lian is way easier
she has always been broken that's true, but you can't compare now and ob68 on a single champ, things were different, she was a good pick compared to other champs, if you nerf her that much now, she'll become the next imani or sha (also I was talking about strix and lian's suggestion, your cassie one would kill her) big game is fine as it is right now, tanks have shields and can take cover for the duration of the buff, ofc you'll take at least one shot mid air, but most people outside of pro are using blast shot, and anyway the combo is what makes her so strong, cause like lian it counters most flanks and other damages

Cassie requires aim?
Her projectiles are a joke, they deal so much damage and they're the fastest in the game.
I hear so many complains about her projectile speed being overbuffed and the tip : CASSIE FIRES PROJECTILES, TRY TO AVOID THEM is still in the game lmao.
The only projectiles you can avoid in this game are seris soul orbs.
Cassie isn't fine and needs heavy damage nerfs or at least a projectile speed reduction, 30 less damage wouldn't kill her, she has so many ways to get bonus damage, plus she has that broken burst combo that destroys flankers...
I'd rework big game for 2 reasons.

1. it's the most annoying thing to fight against, I don't care of shields, heals etc... % based bonus damage are braindead and only cause frustration. Cassie already melts everyone by default, big game makes everything worse, it's fucking stupid.
2. 3 talents that give more damage to a character, how original. Talents were build to create different playstyles, atlast 1 talent should be reworked and give some different effects.
   Mobility (as I suggested), self healimg or even CC... stop with cancer damage.

@DaddyOoker said in Some changes to make the game less frustrating:

@DaddyOoker
PS: I think that arrogant comment was out of line. I took your original title as a display of frustration.

What arrogant comment?? If you tell me I'll edit it ... anyways, sorry if I looked arrogant and also sorry for the original title, I edited it

@TangAce said in Some changes to make the game less frustrating:

@Driggydrug
I'm not even gonna argue with you anymore, if you can't see how your changes would affect the game...

I could say the same for your changes, but we're not here to argue like crybabies.
How would my changes affect the game?? If you played paladins in 2017 you would know. Basically everything I say on theese forums are suggestions to make paladins more similar to 2 years ago... high ttk and fast, hard to play characters. Nothing of what I say could possibly kill or ruin the game (which is already in a bad state), it would just turn it into a more competitive paladins, which had way better stats, more avg.players and very high peaks (the highest one was 60000 while now it's 20000) than the current casual one.

and I totally hate strix, he's on my number 5 most hated champ list lol

What a great thing to hear

I love how people call lian autoaim lol, lex is autoaim, lian is aoe, you don't need to aim that's true, but like dredge doesn't need to aim either, even willo can just shoot around people and it will hit, plus lian dash you gotta aim a bit

Mmhh... hitscan shots that hit a random target in your F.O.V. , what a weird AOE
With willo and dredge you have projectiles, you have to predict where the target moves to DEAL FULL DAMAGE , in case the projectile explodes near the target it would deal damage in a small AREA OF EFFECT. With lian there is no projectile with travel time, no direct hits or area of effect... they're just weapon shots that hits everyone is your fov, it's different than AOE.
The only things that you have to aim with lian are weapon shots and presence, even a guy with 10 hours on paladins could make burst combos as lian.

the only things that can kill ulting willo rn are strix and maeve, maybe nessa but way harder cause charge time

Androxus can reach her with nether step and outdamage her (Did it many times as androxus)
Drogoz and evie can get close and kill her quickly with decent aim
What about strix lul??
Lian, shalin and cassie can burst her down at range.
And why are you even complaining about an ULTIMATE?? It's supposed to be strong like many other gamechanging ults : King bomb and overpowered are two examples.
Fae flight is strong but has also lot of cons.

and I never said I wanted blast shot to consume ammo, but to be counted as a shot, so there can't be combo, you know like there is a delay between 2 shots, so if blast is counted as a shot there is a delay as well

My mistake, I didn't get it. Great suggestion but I don't think it would fix the insane amount of damage she deals at every range with semihitscan arrows.

also if you wanna just remove cassie from the game with your changes you can simply say it

Looks like someone has become a little salty lol. Instead of crying why don't you check the changelog and realize that CASSIE USED TO BE A BROKEN A** CHARACTER EVEN WITH 30 LESS DAMAGE AND PROJECTILES THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRED AIM??
Sorry for caps.
Cassie (before ob68 I think) used to deal 650 damage and she has always been a strong character. Tbh I don't remember a patch where cassie dropped below A in tierlists. She has always been a good pick ffs.
But ofc 30 less damage is going to kill her right?? You went from saying that my suggestions would make her even more OP to saying that I want to kill her lmao.

anyway you can't understand that the first thing to get nerfed are all these power tanks

That's great, off tanks really need a damage nerf. They're literally damage dealers with more HP, sustain and CC.

you didn't even understand my point on strix, really I don't know how to explain things if you can't understand what, damage based on range means, it's like the opposite of falloff

Calm down ffs, your're being a little too oppressive here, I even said that I could have missunderstood.
I know what's the difference between fall-off and damage scaling on range, I just didn't get how you said it , everyone makes mistakes right?? Anyways, I said that before, damage based on range would be a great idea, I hope this would happen along with an hitbox fix.

and if you think noscopes ain't a problem them you probably never tried to flank a strix with a squishy, these wonderful noscope headshots on evie feels sooooo good, you get to close to him, he simply press a button and you die, no skill nor aim required

I don't know what strix have you faced to being always hitted by noscopes lmao.
Maybe that strix was the luckiest man alive or an hacker, it's impossible to hit noscopes unless you're really close to an enemy
Noscopes are based on luck due to incredibly large spread , even at close range it's very rare to hit them. Or maybe you're confusing noscopes with quickscopes, idk.
(I would never get close to strix as evie. She has so much poke, you can hit shots even at medium range... then if you use your abilties well you're doing great)