@Dusklicious said in May Rage Thread:

Uhm I'm starting to see why some people think Buck is OP now...

Combine him with Io and her DR talent and he's literally unkillable. Just had to deal with that playing healer in a ranked game, and it's obnoxious...

This is why we ban Io people. Io's the main thing making it downright broken. Even then Buck himself is probably MUCH better than I give him credit for. Too used to the days Caut countered him and he didn't have his broken Bounce House loadout everyone uses because it's broken.

Also triple DPS on both comps in a Plat-Diamond ranked game... what the f***? And now I lose against a comp with no point tank because I get only one teammate that doesn't just feed and act like the point tank should somehow be on the point for the entire game. Also tanks can't zone apparently. Also, HOW CAN YOU NOT DEAL WITH A RAUM PLAYNG F***ING KHAN?

Seriously no wonder I avoided ranked, the place is a bronzefest even in what should be high elo.

"Ban Raum" (Picks Inara or Khan). That's the sign of bad games. People who can't kill the people they counter. Like a Skye shredding a Tyra and Vivian. "Next time ban Skye!" But you're Tyra...

I also hate games where I'm not the one banning as well. Like Vivian was the one banning and let Io and Viktor through, on Bazaar, and decided to ban Tyra and Talus. Tyra and Talus? Really? "You suck Barik" - Vivian I've killed Viktor like 3 times Vivian, while trying to fight the dog, while trying to contest against 2 tanks that are getting pocketed by 15% damage reduction, etc. What more do you want? I have a Pip and Vivian who keep feeding. Take in mind none of my teammates were bots!

@KicsitCsicska @TTraw No! This is like watching my parents fight! I'm supposed to be the only support main that truly argues out of us three!

@SomeGuySomeWhere said in How 2 fix Seris in 2 ez steps:

@TTraw I don't get it, why the bonus duration would be a curse ?
Also, yes, Seris has to commit to the heal for longer than other healers and, yes, a quick burst of heal always feels better than a long consistent one, but that's the type of healer she is ! Compare her to Io: both of them are supposed to be over time healers, unlike burst healers like Furia and Pip, or mixed healers like Ying and Grover. If you say that Seris should have a burts heal option, then one could make the same argument about Io, who has to commit to the heal even more than Seris. But then what's the point of having o.t. healers if everyone thinks burst healers are more effective ? We would end up with every healer being relatively the same, which I think we can agree is a scenario no one wants.
Yes, burst heal feels better, but for the sake of having variety we cannot get rid of consistent heal. Arguably, this would mean that MR would remain a "heal bot" talent, but it would let people who prefer that playstyle be able to play so. Paladins has a HUGE roster of champions and possible playstyles, if a player wants to play differently from what MR offers right now there's plenty of ways to do so without needing to rework MR.

Here's the difference.

Io: her dog still attacks while you heal. She can leap back while she heals. Her dog has a stun in base kit. Io's pocket is giving you 15% damage reduction and speed boost.

Seris: her heal doesn't even speed boost or give anything. She can't do anything while she heals, not escape or attack. Seris in general has no cc outside of the throw Agony pick and her ult which can be stopped by shields.

@Loveh8tragedy said in Ranked - changes to placements:

@M3RC3N4RI0 I quite agree on the matchmaking front but that is off topic here really. Everyone knows matchmaking does what it feels like at times. Even the streamers end up with silver level players every now and then.

This is mainly around players who shouldn't be in gold in my opinion. I like the influx of new players as I'm sure hi rez gets more money which means more development but being carried to 4 or 5 placement wins and ending up in gold then screws other players out as they have to either carry like mad or lose. I dropped 40tp in one day and have yet to climb back up as for every decent team and a win I'm getting 2 losses with the random bans instalock level 10 vik etc... I'm sure I'm not the only player who has this issue. Just trying to think of ways round it that don't involve the random luck of matchmaking..... And yes I know get a duo etc before some smart Alec makes the comment

If you're top pick, it's a bit harder. Carrying the game is on you. What I like to do is leave traps. For example, I'll leave Skye or Talus as a trap when I plan on playing Tyra. I might leave Terminus as a trap when I plan on playing Furia. Here is an example:

This was on Jaguar Falls. Terminus is good on that map. I banned Pip because the Inara threw a game earlier as Pip. Still, I knew they would pick Terminus and fall for my trap. I farmed Terminus. I even let them have Talus because I can fuck Talus up with Furia.

Another strategy is to ban what can kill you, and hard carry with a dps. Here is an example of me as Viktor:

I banned Terminus and Talus here. Terminus is hard to fight as Viktor. That infinite siphon potential means you can't shot in his direction, and most teams hide behind Terminus. You can't ult either because Terminus eats Viktor ults for breakfast. In that case I ban him, and ban the flank that I don't feel like dealing with. In this case, I didn't feel like making my team play around Talus, because Talus farms low elo players and I didn't feel like having a 1v1 against Talus for the majority of the game. So I made my bans, left Skye as a trap, and my duo (Tyra) proceeded to farm Skye. Even if I wasn't in a duo, I would've just solo ulted Skye because Viktor's ult spots stealth (fun fact!).

@Loveh8tragedy said in Ranked - changes to placements:

@M3RC3N4RI0 I quite agree on the matchmaking front but that is off topic here really. Everyone knows matchmaking does what it feels like at times. Even the streamers end up with silver level players every now and then.

This is mainly around players who shouldn't be in gold in my opinion. I like the influx of new players as I'm sure hi rez gets more money which means more development but being carried to 4 or 5 placement wins and ending up in gold then screws other players out as they have to either carry like mad or lose. I dropped 40tp in one day and have yet to climb back up as for every decent team and a win I'm getting 2 losses with the random bans instalock level 10 vik etc... I'm sure I'm not the only player who has this issue. Just trying to think of ways round it that don't involve the random luck of matchmaking..... And yes I know get a duo etc before some smart Alec makes the comment

It depends on your situation. If bottom pick, then fill. I can pm you some Inara and Barik builds to help you carry a game as a point tank, or at least have a huge impact in winning the game.

This game for example:

I was Mother's Grace Inara here (is there any other way to play her???) I quickly realized that Tyra wasn't good. It seems like she was good based on her stats, but trust me, I had to babysit her and Io, because Buck was getting in their ass 1v2. I stayed by them and kept Buck under control, while rotating to counter Terminus and Khan.

Androxus had the most deaths, but I personally didn't care for him. He wasn't the win condition. That's another thing, figure out who the win condition is based on game sense. I needed Tyra to do good because she was a damage that could zone tanks off the point, and I needed Io to live because she's a support. Barik was just another point tank in this match, and Androxus was doing his job of harassing the backline even if it meant dying trying to do it. Tyra and Io needed to live though.

@Shadowpuppy said in May Rage Thread:

@HeartQueen Talus is pretty good but he is not solid enough to play into any comp.. His main counters are what everyone plays in rank so it makes him seem even worse.

I agree that Talus isn't bad, he's pretty good. The problem is that I play on console, where people think he's op and has no counters. This leads to them being farmed in higher elo games where people run Lian, Viktor, Buck, Androxus, Ash, etc., against him. Next thing you know, Talus is feeding his ass off because of this stereotype that Talus scares people and is hard to deal with. Like I farm Talus players with damage reduction Tyra, and she isn't even considered meta. It's something that works for me, so I like to leave that trap when I'm the one banning. Though my teammates don't know that I'm leaving a trap, thus the Io said, "You idiot, you didn't ban Talus. Now Talus is going to go after me." I just said nothing and let the match play out. We win 4-1 as I go 12-5 as Tyra. Granted, their team comp was trash, but Talus still isn't as OP as people make him out to be.

@Dusklicious said in May Happy Thread:

@HeartQueen said in May Happy Thread:

@Vaporized said in May Happy Thread:

Inara bot isn't so bad compared to noobs.. lol

Bot Inaras are better than 80% of Inara players.

Yeah most of them are toxic trash with bought levels. I mean she's a simple af character so what's to be expected right.

They just don't get called out as often. It's harder to tell when a tank isn't good compared to like a support or dps. When a support is trash, it usually shows with low healing numbers (bonus for high death numbers). When a dps is bad, their damage and the amount of kills will reveal that (along with high death numbers). For a tank, most people usually don't notice unless their death numbers are like super high, like noticeably high. Therefore most trash tanks don't think they're trash.

Luckily I'm familiar with tanks, so I usually know they're trash based on their loadout. Like one Inara went Tremors. The team kept blaming Furia for us losing, but I knew the problem was that Inara kept dying no matter how much Furia healed her. Then I looked at her talents and plugged in my mic. "Guys, Furia is healing. She is not the reason we're losing. The reason we're losing is because Inara is going Tremors. Inara, why Tremors?" It was shocking how quick the dps were to blame the support.

@Loveh8tragedy said in Ranked - changes to placements:

I can see your point of view. I'm speaking from my lower to mid skill level really. Just been on a 3 match losing streak in ranked with the following:-

Noob Viktor who spent the whole game chasing kills and over extending. Ended up 5 kills 12 deaths and sub 60k damage.

Noob khan who played as point tank, spent the game running to point putting shield up into a triple DPS damage comp and then complained about healing as usual.

Viv and Tyra in a triple DPS comp who didn't pick up caut, lost 4/3 as the other teams caut 3 came online and they had nothing to respond with.

Tried to be nice over in game chat and offer advice but most of the time is ignored cos Viv just kills everyone apparently and doesn't need caut. I'm not really sure what can be done but after grinding this much to then drop nearly 40 tp in 3 games is a bit much. Puts people off ranked in the first place and seems a little unfair to those of us that want to put the effort in and learn the mechanics etc.

A duo is mandatory. People say "git gud" which can be an answer. ... If you're on the level of Grandmasters and in a Gold and Plat elo. In that case, you can solo queue, pick a dps, and hard carry your way out. But what if you're a Platinum level player that's hardstuck in Gold? In that case, it's harder to carry out of that elo solo queue. You need a duo. One who can play all roles proficiently along with you. That way we adjust. We pick a main tank and dps, because we don't want a solo tank Khan. Or if someone is at the top and they go damage/flank, we pick main tank and support. You need to have a solid main tank, main dps, and support to carry a team.

@Vaporized said in May Happy Thread:

Inara bot isn't so bad compared to noobs.. lol

Bot Inaras are better than 80% of Inara players.

I really wish people would learn to draft and about counters. Like my low Platinum friend who thinks he can farm a team that has Koga, Khan, and Inara with Talus. I beg the bottom pick not to go Talus. Like I was in diamond and 4th pick, with two grandmasters at the top who are streamers, and a grandmaster Androxus was on the other team. The team begged him not to go Talus. "BrO tAlUs Is FrEe!" We tried to explain that there is a reason Talus is free. Talus went 3-15... Luckily he apologized and it made him think that Talus isn't so OP after all.

The same people complain about Skye and want to pick her. "ThEy'Re NoT bAnNiNg Or PiCkInG sKyE!1!!" Yeah bro, there's a reason. Now Skye is seen in high elo console games, but as smoke and dagger off support. Or an off support flank where she's basically following Terminus everywhere and pocketing him for some heavy zoning. Though in lobbies where diamond and high platinum players are the highest level, she's a noob trap that we set because we know that low elo kids are going to go debilitate or preparation.

Also, Terminus isn't the most oppressive, but kids can't draft. They have the Terminus and Khan duo. Luckily we have Inara who can handle that duo if she's good. Now we just need a support to counter them even more and we're good. The enemy team got Life Exchange Ying or Jenos like a bunch of suckers, so Furia or Io is free. Then they proceed to go Mortal Reach Seris, or even worse, Agony, and it's up to Inara and the main dps to try to counter that annoying duo.

Or even worse, the enemy team has Inara and Terminus (why did we get Khan to counter Terminus instead of securing Inara again?). Last pick goes Raum, who is countered by Inara and the Furia on their team. As he hovered I said, "please no. Raum is hard countered by Inara, Skye, and Furia, and he can't drop cauterize to top it all off so after cauterize 3 he's a sitting duck. Maybe Ash or Barik would be good here." And we lost that game.

Simple drafting would allow people to rank up if they would just learn it.