@SomeGuySomeWhere said in Assembly of Champions 2021 Discussion Thread:

@HeartQueen said in Assembly of Champions 2021 Discussion Thread:

Cursed Revolver is balanced imo.

That's also part of the problem: it is not inherently unbalanced so it won't be touched.
But when was the last time you've seen an Androxus not playing with Cursed Revolver ?
It is by far one of the highest picked talent I've ever seen in all my time playing the game, it's basically his exclusive choice.
In the past, this kind of overpicked talents have always been gutted and Androxus isn't even a low popularity champion (actually, quite the contrary) so why isn't anyone addressing this problem ?

Infinite Rolls Cassie isn't too bad. Though I actually brain stormed with a GM Cassie main on how to rework it. I told them that they would have to keep the mobility and get rid of the damage, but make it so it's worth picking over her damage boosting talents. So we thought of:

• keep her cooldowns and the card
• instead of bonus damage for each hit after roll, we would make it so that each hit after roll reduces all of her cooldowns (except her dodge roll because you have cards and stuff for that)

That would't be great either, it would just enable her to have her burst combos more frequently.
Imo she just needs an internal cooldown on Incitement, so she can't just spam roll-shot-roll-shot-roll-shot and get all those benefits.

That's because his weapon without cursed revolver is bad. It's not automatic and you have to keep pressing it to shoot, plus it has inaccuracies. It's literally only used by Androxus players who either don't know that it's bad, or it's used by skilled high level Androxus players who want a challenge. If they made the gun his base kit, he might see more talent usage. Unfortunately, he's in a good spot for the most part, even with one talent dominating his usage. So that's good enough for Hirez at this point.

@Vaporized said in DEVELOPER UPDATE - PALADINS FORUMS:

@NoMemeNoLife said in DEVELOPER UPDATE - PALADINS FORUMS:

@Lukash369 said in DEVELOPER UPDATE - PALADINS FORUMS:

@HeartQueen said in DEVELOPER UPDATE - PALADINS FORUMS:

@Dusklicious @TTraw @SomeGuySomeWhere @ShogunPukin @Vaporized @Christlike @M3RC3N4RI0 @Shadowpuppy @Wabit @KicsitCsicska @AYYDIMITRI @TheDeltaKingGod @Nico @Conrad_Max @Lukash369

Here me out: What if we made our own Discord?

I was thinking tbh about creating a Guilded instead of a Discord. In short, this is a discord but better, where you can make a forum-type channel, among other things

https://www.guilded.gg/Paladins-Community/

For now I am learning this program and I am not 100% sure whether I will advertise it somehow or not.

WE ARE MISSING IMPORTANT MEMBERS: @Dusklicious @TTraw @Vaporized

Appreciate the sentiment but I'm not important.

Another 2c about this...
Having no official forum just looks bad overall for the company. It's akin to using an email address like hotmail or gmail for a company email.

IMO, the primary reason these forums are so quiet is the officials don't visit it or acknowledge anything. It's obviously intentional. Ignoring the obvious problems the game has isn't going to make them go away. You'd think they would care since it's their jobs at stake but apparently it's a systemic problem in the company.

You are important. You're one of the main posters here. But yeah, this company is just. Like they're lazy and prone to lying. You hit the nail on the head when you said "ignoring the obvious problems the game has isn't going to make them go away." Like they're just full of excuses and they're lazy. People fall for their lies when basic fact checking proves them wrong!

• "we're getting rid of hypermobility because console players don't like it! We're also speeding up projectiles for that reason!" Uh, no. Maeve was considered dogshit by PC players for her slow projectiles. She became meta when they sped it up. Plus they literally don't balance around console because console players were begging them to nerf Talus, Vivian, and Koga for years, yet they refused to do so. Balance for us where???
• "we needed to remove play of the game and killcam because of bugs. The Evie ice bug is caused by these features, we can't fix it because of these features, so we just want to cut them." They removed those features and Evie ice block bug was still there! So they fixed it in the hot fix. So those features didn't cause that bug???
• "we were too busy to rework Luminary Jenos and we're too busy to rework Torvald" Busy? With what??? We haven't had an event in 2 years. We haven't had a map in 2 years. Y'all said verbatim that y'all aren't releasing a new map until 2022, which is 3 years without a map. Y'all are cutting features and y'all cheapened the servers and don't seem to be fixing them anytime soon. So please tell us, what the fuck are y'all busy with? Like some companies make entire fucking games with full fledged maps in 3 years. People are making 2 month battle passes and adding a bunch of features and changes every month. Even small indie companies, with only 30 employees across the entire company and with 3 games that they're maintaining, are having events in each game every year. Like 1 or 2 events per year. Yet Hirez is going 2 years without one, 2 years without a map, and they're busy.

Hirez is like that person who skips class and when you see them, they're always laughing with friends, texting/talking on the phone, on social media or laughing at YouTube videos, etc. Yet when you confront them about your group project, they say that they're busy with other classes and with life in general.

@SomeGuySomeWhere said in Assembly of Champions 2021 Discussion Thread:

@HeartQueen Cursed Revolver untouched, Torvald untouched, Octavia [mostly] untouched, Infinite Rolls Cassie and Yagorath's ult not even mentioned.
Let's hope at least their Zhin nerf is gonna be smart and not their usual nerfs...

Cursed Revolver is balanced imo. They are going to touch the ammo card, which will be a start. Infinite Rolls Cassie isn't too bad. Though I actually brain stormed with a GM Cassie main on how to rework it. I told them that they would have to keep the mobility and get rid of the damage, but make it so it's worth picking over her damage boosting talents. So we thought of:

• keep her cooldowns and the card
• instead of bonus damage for each hit after roll, we would make it so that each hit after roll reduces all of her cooldowns (except her dodge roll because you have cards and stuff for that)

I like it because it keeps the mobility while getting rid of the bonus damage. Yagorath was just a bad champion that doesn't fit this game.

The Torvald thing makes me angry. They told us in late season 2 that they were going to rework Torvald. Then season 3 they simply said something about how they were going to change the item shop and see where Torvald lands there. Then people told them that it was the pockets and not the item shop, they said they would rework Torvald and nothing has been done. Now they're trying to say that WE don't want a rework because he's unattractive. This is stupid. Barik and Tyra are unattractive. Plus Torvald isn't unattractive, he's just an old man with a very boring and bad kit. If he had a fun kit and some decent skins, he'd have a higher play rate. Like bro, just make a younger version of Torvald that is shirtless, oh wait! Y'all fucking have that skin! But it's locked behind ranked! Also, they don't think anyone would play Torvald if he had a skin like this and a good point tank kit:

This is stupid and makes no sense. They're just lazy and don't want to rework him, even after they promised us a rework like two years ago. Like they talk about priority work, but what are they doing? We haven't had an event in two years, they cut features left and right, they haven't made a new map in 2 years about to be 3 years, etc. What are they talking about, they don't have time? They've had PLENTY of time. For fuck sake, they aren't even releasing Gold skins every patch, which literally takes maybe an hour per champion because you're just changing the colors of an already made skin. Like they've done barely anything and they talk about how they're so busy and it's not in their schedule. Like this is just disgusting and I've just lost the little respect I had for them after they said that.

@Dusklicious The biggest issue with the Discord and Paladins is general is lack of care for new players. Like I'm a sort of troll on the Discord, however, I'll stop trolling if I see someone is new and needs my help. Meanwhile, people are trolling new people asking for help by saying "Pip and Ying are meta changing bro!" How is a Gold player supposed to know that's sarcasm? Plus you have people on there that are condescending. It can turn new players away.

Like on Reddit. I brought a guy who was struggle to PaladinsAcademy. The actual mod was polite for the most part and said "we can't really determine the issue if you're just saying 'Iget farmed by higher ranked players while playing certain champions.' We'll need you to post a VOD of a 2-4 or 3-4 loss while you show us your loadout and item purchases." So that's cordial and understanding. However, some higher ranked players were toxic and saying "it's because you play Imani and Corvus." Let's determine why that's bullshit:

• the guy is Gold. Meta doesn't exist in Gold ranked. If you're stuck in Gold, it's not just champions, it's your game sense
• he's on controller and Corvus and Imani actually win their games at Diamond+ elo as far as controller goes. I don't know about Corvus on PC, but I know Imani wins even more games on PC. So as far as playing ladder goes, those aren't bad champions.
• could you be any more condescending? You're supposed to help people and point them in a direction. How the fuck is insulting the champions they pick supposed to help them? For fuck sake, he didn't even recommend champions he should pick. This is like if I were back in Elementary school and I asked a teacher for some help, and they just said "this answer is wrong. I've taught this before, so you should know this. Stop being stupid." How does that help me? That's just insulting me.

Like I'm not perfect. I've given scathing criticism when needed, but I actually give tips. I've even helped people who are the most annoying types. Like my least favorite type of people are the "I don't play tank bro!" or "I only play 3 or less champions bro!" Yet even I'm decently fair with them and will tell them: "It's a tank meta so learning tanks are advised. A good starting point is Barik, Khan, and Raum. Those are tanks that a lot of dps players really like because they're aggressive. Once you get the hang of them, maybe add Fernando." or for the 1-3 tricks, I'll say "it's best to sort of expand your champion pool. To keep it as small as possible, do Tyra and Tiberius for damage, Grover and Furia for support, Lex/Vora (controller vs kbm) and Zhin for flank, and Barik, Khan, and Raum for tank. Which are just 9 champions total. This is enough so that when your champion is banned, you aren't screwed, yet it's small enough to keep track of."

And people say Diamonds are toxic and egotistical while Masters and above are kind and sweet. Well the most condescending and none helping people I have seen are Master ranked and pro/scrim people. So meh.

@esportspalagamer said in DEVELOPER UPDATE - PALADINS FORUMS:

@HeartQueen if you read what I said instead of getting mad because you're wrong I said "they must have changed the rules yet again allowing teams to have two flex players" do you really think players would let it be known what class they will play instead of all choosing "flex" if they had the chance?

I don't know if that rule was in place of PPL. However, in the old tournaments, it was mostly just a community thing. So it was friends playing together and it might've been a skill gap. Like if I 5 stack with my friends in the average casual game, we could win with 2 flanks, 2 damage, and a support. Because we're Diamond+ ranked (some of them are even Master ranked) and most people in this game are Silver and Gold level. Yet if we're going against a good team with a good comp that's Diamond+ ranked for the most part, we get destroyed. Like we'll, us Diamod players, sometimes farm with our Evie and Maeve duo while my Master ranked friend is on Cassie, our other Diamond friend is on Lian, and my Master ranked friend is on Jenos. However, we did get our teeth kicked in by a Diamond+ team and a GM was on Cassie on the other team. Sometimes you can farm players on any comp if there is a skill gap. It happened on the PPC where the team picked 4 dps and a support just because they're cocky. There were several throw picks from Pickled Pepper when they were up 2-0 and knew they would win.

@Lukash369 said in Assembly of Champions 2021 Discussion Thread:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tPm8G1Bf1bGUbNxz4TzUIH8KqjMGf2vu/view

So feedback about each one, my personal feedback.

Hyuga

So the thing with Hyuga is that he kind nerfs the wrong things about kits, or suggest they nerf and balance the wrong things about their kit. Tiberius combat trance is annoying, but it has counter play to it. The issue with Tiberius is his slow on his heavy sword that has very little counter play. It's the same with Lex. Lex Discovery isn't that bad imo. It's just his life steal in my opinion.

However, the devs uniquely made me angry in this situation plus it proves that they lie. So they don't want to do complex champions because they aren't popular. Yet Maeve is a complex and hard champion that gets a bunch of skins because she's popular. Which one is it Hirez??? This is why I haven't touched that game in forever. I'm tempted to drop it because they keep pulling crap like this. Like I want to stay because they did have great design, once upon a time ago with the old devs, and it's sad to give up their champions. Like when I think about giving up Inara, Barik, Evie, Lian, etc., I just get really sad. Yet how they treat their game is just questionable. And I don't want to romanticize the old devs, but my goodness where they MUCH better overall.

Syberbolt

I'm glad they're looking to do something about dodgers. This is why I don't respect controller pc gms because most of them are dodgers. More quality of life features which is a good thing. The post-lobby menu auto-scrolling was apparently a bug. Fam, that's been a bug for how long? That shit is a feature at this point. Also, no new map until 2022. Bazaar was the last map created, which waas May of 2019. In 2022, that's literally 3 years without creating a new map. Currently: we've had 2 years without an event and 2 years without a map. It's confirmed that we'll have to wait at least 3 years for a new map. This company is horrible. I swear.

ParallaxQueen

This one also made me angry at Hirez. Hirez is just showing more and more why I'm starting to dislike them. So they said they don't want to rework Torvald anything soon because he's an ugly old man. Y'ALL PROMISED US A REWORK TWO YEARS AGO! What is this??? Also, Barik is not exactly an attractive person. He's short and fat. Yet people play and love him because his kit is fun. Turns out, people will overlook aesthetic if a champion is fun enough. Tyra isn't attractive either, yet people play her. This is stupid.

Alivearg

They're looking to fix match-making and give it a timer of sorts. This is promising I guess. I swear they promised us a year ago to make match-making so that Bronze and Silver players aren't with GMs, but whatever. They're known for being honest, so we just need to trust them at this point.

SterileTick

I like Sterile and he continues to impress. I like that the devs are wanting the 3 bans soon and will increase queue times for more faire matches. @Dusklicious will be happy because they like the idea of nerfing Atlas Phantom Pain card from 1-->.8s They'll nerf Grover as well, which is great. The only thing I don't like is the Jenos idea of healing. Like it's not a very good idea, I have to admit. Like Jenos doesn't need anything complicated like shooting to heal. He still has piss poor healing. He needs his healing duration reduced and his numbers buffed, and a talent for main healing. Like instead of doing that complicated shit of damaging to heal, why not simply:

• Instead of healing for 1800 over 10 seconds, he heals for 1840 over 8 seconds, which is 230 healing per second. So 1800-->1840 and 180-->230. This gives an extra 40 healing overall and an extra 50 healing per second.
• reduce weapon spread and damage fall off
• Luminary replaced by celestial touch that gives an additional 200 initial healing. This way he heals for 500 upfront and 230 per second, which allows him to heal tanks.
• Power Cosmeum changed to a stellar wind talent that gives him a double jump during stellar wind

I just don't understand why he wants to complicate Jenos. Just keep it simple.

TaNaDisney

I'm glad the devs aren't nerfing Androxus, and I'm glad they're looking to reduce the duration of Tiberius heavy sword slow.

Libra

Why is this so hard for them? It wouldn't split the queue. Just put the PC gamepad people with PC keyboard and mouse people, and let us be by ourselves.

JamairasPlay

Dude, stop with the monetization. People go to school for this. People take courses and get jobs for this very reason. Stop trying to do business for Hirez. They're good.

@Dusklicious @TTraw @SomeGuySomeWhere @ShogunPukin @Vaporized @Christlike @M3RC3N4RI0 @Shadowpuppy @Wabit @KicsitCsicska @AYYDIMITRI @TheDeltaKingGod @Nico @Conrad_Max @NoMemeNoLife

This will probably be our last time posting aoc meetings on this forum. Lukash has a website for us to go to, so it'll be like this forum tbh. Anyway, Lukash has the updates for the AoC meeting. Feel free to post your thoughts here or on this website.

@esportspalagamer said in DEVELOPER UPDATE - PALADINS FORUMS:

@Lukash369 I appreciate you posting proof of what I was saying so I wouldn't have to later find it myself. I guess they actually changed the rules yet again for the last tournament they had and allowed two "flex" players per team. Which would re open the possibility of not having one role on a team. Still not able to pick whichever kind of team set up they wanted like the original tournaments though. And there was definitely a tournaments where teams were only allowed to have one "flex" player. Also this shows exactly what I was talking about when saying that what type of character a player played was predetermined. Aside from the flex players.

https://youtu.be/zguLyd6H3Jw?t=1467 One team had Strix, Androxus, Maeve, Koga, and Corvus. Where is a tank???

https://youtu.be/oNrrqxg3y4A?t=1731 No one picked a damage at all this game!

Team 1

• Inara
• Pip
• Grohk
• Khan
• Makoa

Team 2

• Androxus
• Maeve
• Mal'Damba
• Ruckus
• Barik

Where is the damage???

@Lukash369 said in DEVELOPER UPDATE - PALADINS FORUMS:

Here me out: What if we made our own Discord?

I was thinking tbh about creating a Guilded instead of a Discord. In short, this is a discord but better, where you can make a forum-type channel, among other things

https://www.guilded.gg/Paladins-Community/

For now I am learning this program and I am not 100% sure whether I will advertise it somehow or not.

@Dusklicious @TTraw @SomeGuySomeWhere @ShogunPukin @Vaporized @Christlike @M3RC3N4RI0 @Shadowpuppy @Wabit @KicsitCsicska @AYYDIMITRI @TheDeltaKingGod @Nico @Conrad_Max @NoMemeNoLife

@jockodepluque said in DEVELOPER UPDATE - PALADINS FORUMS:

@HeartQueen not really. They cut the esports because of how bad the tornaments were embarrassing the game. First they tried to make special rules for the tournaments hoping that would help (they set a rule where tournament players couldn't pick whatever characters they wanted there had to be one of each class role per team). Then when they saw that people were still going to be able to exploit how broken the game is they just did away with the tournaments all together.

This person is banned anyway, but let's be honest here, that esports rule is a lie. There were several teams who played no tanks at all in the PPC. Even the PPL had triple tank and a support, which meant that 1 role was missing! Easily debunked. Now let's not spread information.