@KicsitCsicska I mistook her nimble fingers card to be tactical reload, silly me. I don't think this talent is strong enough. like Skye weapon imo would be too weak without the 600 smoke dmg and why would I need vertical mobility when I have 80% speed and a card to increase duration from 3.5->6s. This talent may only be the best option for skye in split stone quarry and serpent beach which is pretty niche. I don't think giving her a vertical mobility talent would be good. We have enough flanks for that and this conflicts with her slightly lower mobility design. I suggest a different approach to replace debilitate like for example making her smoke a 1000 hp deployable that blinds people within its radius unless destroyed and also increase the radius of the smoke at the cost of the 600 dmg burst. This could make skye a duelist flank like zhin and be able to take 1v1s with anyone.

@KicsitCsicska ok I play a lot of skye and I personally think most these changes are ok but the new decrepify card is broken this will allow skye to kill people in barely a second with little aim becuz hitting headshots with that slow will be too easy than it should be. I'd say this card would be viable even at 20% on lvl 5 making it easier to hit headshots but not in a braindead way. And no tactical reload was always a great card and was always a glorified version of decrepify as long as u ran debilitate. with debilitate skye already had enough sustain dmg to kill anything with 25 ammo so this card allowed her to rely less on her poisons to get kills and did u know that the duration is reset and at the same time her reload speed scaling is doubled when u use poisons again within 5s? u don't even need to hit your poisons to get the benefits. Decrepify is a preparation card but she won't need it anymore with these changes so that's nice. And no way her ult doesn't need buffs except for the falloff buff. with competent teams your ult can have game changing value without even killing anything.
I like these changes but reworking skye isn't necessary. she's still decent in the right hands and is insanely underrated becuz of how good she is in the pocket meta. she just needs speed buffs in hidden, replace debilitate with old 600 dmg smoke and dagger and give Preparation a 2nd armor benefit where increased movement speed effects no longer apply diminishing returns. There Skye is great and didn't have to be reworked. I would have given her a "buff weapon dmg but nerf dmg talent treatment" aswell becuz low time to kill is supposed to be her thing but that would be a little problematic on console. In the right hands however, Skye is pretty strong as a flank you just gotta be smart and be more aware of the enemy team and help your team by being invisible at the right time and protect your team from enemy dps. She protects backliners better than anyone because of how long her stealth can last so less duration in hidden is not an idea I'm comfortable with.

@Dusklicious ig so. I'm the one guy in your discord server btw lol

@M3RC3N4RI0 No what needs to be done is that hirez has got to add(a 2nd tutorial mode) an optional but proper fking tutorial for new players dedicated to help them play against low rank dominant champs like skye moji buck and reward crystals/gold for it so that they can stop using bad players as excuses to not buff skye properly. First off illuminate changes and stealth rework which makes dmg numbers pop off by hitting stealthed targets should be reverted. Then she just needs a few tingles like, a buff to her weapon dmg from 130->150 but nerf her DMG talents, and her HP to 1800 to compensate. This will turn her into the "low-time to kill flank" she was meant to be but make her time-to-die faster aswell and avoid buffing her DPS with Debilitate more than it currently is. I'd personally replace it with nerfed version of old smoke & Dagger with a 2s CD reduction within it to prevent healer skye from getting affected and make the old playstyle exactly as efffective as it used to ignoring the quick smoker nerf. I'd also give a last touch to her Preparation talent where she gets a 2nd armor benefit other than the kill2CDreset where movespeed card effects/nimble stack without diminished values. There, Skye is now low-key insane in the right hands but not OP since she has a fair number of counters with one of them being illuminate which is accessible to literally anyone. Now Skye has 3 completely different playstyles with each of them doing the following- buff burst, buff mobility and add utility/sustain. For a champ that can be countered by an item which can be bought in any situation, she deserves to have 3 strong talents/to be viable in any map or against any team comp other than one that has vivian.

@KicsitCsicska Shatter already has uses with resonance and life exchange. Base kit shatter doesn't need to be useful. That will mostly result in reworks and that will overcomplicate her. Guess our opinion of balance is very different. By balance, we are all talking about her viability and that's the most important thing we care for. You care about LITERALLY EVERYTHING. That's not really a bad thing but...ehhh. Carry on is so strong bcuz her base duration on her illusions is lacking. Resonance players only use it at lvl 1 and more than lvl 2 is overkill/waste of points. Even with Focusing Lens 2 is enough while 3 is somewhat overkill depending on map. Buff her base duration on illusions by 1s(make it 2s if u want to make carry on useless) and nerf the card by only 0.2s per level and bam...Resonance/Focusing Lens users don't need carry on but this card is not useless either. Try to look at things from multiple perspectives. These cards don't make ying op. Ying is not even top 5 in most tierlists. The thing with Spring bloom is that it solves one of ying's only issues and ying doesn't have many issues that can be solved by loadout cards. The only way you can make her other cards viable is by giving her more issues that can be solved with loadout cards and that can only be done by nerfing/reworking her. Even if this rework turns out to be a buff... none of us want that(except maybe you).

@KicsitCsicska making the rewind rework proc at 10% per level isn't alot. Try acknowledging the fact that her Dimensional link postfire was 80% faster and not 50%+ you are integreting that old effect into a loadout card that takes away 5 points at most. I think it should proc at 12% per level for that reason and this is also considering the 700 dmg u gave to her illusions. Also by nerfing Spring Bloom you are taking away a great amount of her healing output from resonance and i don't think 700 dmg on shatter is enough to compensate that. Make it so that her healing ticks is reduced from 5->1 and make that 1 tick heal 400. That will make it so that players won't lose half of the heal ticks by re-entering cover too early after peeking illusions. Thats enough to compensate spring bloom nerf imo. I also suggest a heal rework which isn't intended to compensate the spring bloom or carry on nerf but an idea of my own. I recommend reducing her illusion healing to 320 and also have it heal for 5% of a targets max hp. This will give resonance or focusing lens(I don't think Focusing lens deserves to be a healing talent until its range buff gets reverted as it allows her to replace actual dmg dealers and has good synergy with caut while resonance requires an actual dmg dealer or another off support to be most effective) better healing output for tanks when playing in double tank comps without having it heal squishies a bit more than it should. Her dmg talents as main heal cards are weakest when played with double tank comps and thats why I want her clones to have a bit of %HP healing to deal with this problem.

@Dusklicious The Mortal Reach "buff" will still be a mixed change becuz, although she will have more time to do dmg, it will come at the cost of seris not healing tanks as much as she used to. 17% is still less healing than the old Mortal reach(not a buff). If it was 20%(buff) then the healing potential would be the same as the old version(1800 heal over 1.5s=2400 heal over 2.5s). 17% heals 1755 which is less. Mortal Reach at 10% is like playing without a talent in small maps so I don't think an extra heal of 105 will be enough. But EMneco confused this change by saying that 17% will allow her to heal another tick of healing which is 1650+150=1800(buff). We'll have to test this change live before drawing conclusions.

@KicsitCsicska I don't like the ying nerfs at all. You pretty much hard nerf resonance to trash. Spring bloom is the best card for resonance and allows her to deal way more dmg and heal more. You suggested nothing to compensate Resonance. Ying needs more of a rework imo to help her restore her damage support identity. Here's what i'd like to see with your ying changes.

• Add a 2s cooldown reduction to Ying's illusions for her Resonance
  talent specifically(1s is enough but i'd love to get a feel of the clone spam with a 2s CD reduction).
• Move the effect of Rewind lvl 1 into the base kit.
• Rework Rewind to: reduce the postfire of Dimensional Link by 16/32/48/64/80%(Current postfire is 0.5s and the card will reduce it by 0.08s per level allowing you to teleport faster which she used to be able to do in her base kit).
• Rework Mesmerism to instead grant you 1 ammo per level when illusions die to an enemy.
• Rework Disappear to instead grant Ying 5% increased ult charge rate per level.
  Reasoning for most changes-
  *2s CD reduction is to compensate your spring bloom nerf.
  *The rewind rework will bring back a part of what made Resonance viable as but more balanced as a card, since Reso-Ying has to sacrifice either one of her most important cards like self sustain with Harmony/Tangible, The spring forward card that allowed her to apply huge clone dmg combos. This new card will also make high levels of Efficiency viable as she will then be able to access her F ability much faster for the combos.
  *Ying's dmg talents as solo support playstyles were significantly impacted by the nerf to morale boost. This card will remedy that and anyway the current version is just useless.

@Shadowpuppy said in July Happy Thread:

Iv been playing Nade Viktor as of late and now that im getting the hang of it. I have to say its pretty strong when used to farm ult. Today i ulted at 50% point capture on the first round. It was pretty silly how fast i got it up with those nades.

Two ults a round or more and still have 60 % for the next round... Plus its allot of fun

Why pick shrapnel over cardio? Like your loadout has no sustain and i don't see much value from the extra radius of it. Also I wanna know whats the main use of "hot potato"? I feel like flank food when playing a talent on vik that isn't burst mode.

@Dusklicious I see the new patch as a nerf to her. If the Kinessa player is insane, then Buck won't be a big problem unless he picks Bounce House. Even if he goes BH then you can just go Reposition to avoid getting farmed. And if you have a build with Calibrate V and Reconfigure 2+ along with Power supply 2+ then Kinessa will literally become an off flank using her carbine 50% of the time and can potentially be a viable flank once Cauterize and Chronos are maxed. On live I find Kinessa better than Strix but after the 3.4 patch, Strix might be better becuz Kinessa will lose one of her most dominant sniper maps replaced with one of her worst ones so she will then have 7 viable maps instead of 8 which is a big deal and make her a bit more situational.